NRA Newtown response [W:818]

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TaraAnne said:

Thats the problem with the looney right they are so uncomfortable with themselves they have to group people to make their own short comings seem non exsistant. So if you have to group people I would rather be the above you mentioned than a Fascist. You have the idea that there is no problem at all and the only solution is your solution and we saw a couple of weeks ago exactly what the results were!

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another post that oozes stupidity

I correctly noted that anti gun posts are coming from very liberal to loony left posters and those in between

what proof do you have of your bogus psychoanalysis

I was merely noting what the anti gun hysterics labeled THEMSELVES

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TurtleDude said:

edify me how privacy rights will be impacted and if someone is a gun owner and feels a bit "off" why would he approach a doctor if it could mean his RKBA would disappear merely if his doctor reported him

I try lots of cases. I'd love to see some of the things the people suing my client said to their doctors. It would certainly be relevant. but guess what-I cannot get that information even though it would clearly promote justice

why not? because its privileged and the courts have determined that the pursuit of justice must take a back seat to such communications

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No one thinks it will be easy. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. The mentally ill shouldnt have access or rights to purchase guns. It's just common sense.

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BigRedChief said:

No one thinks it will be easy. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. The mentally ill shouldnt have access or rights to purchase guns. It's just common sense.

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and people shouldn't buy crack cocaine

but tell me was the war on drugs worth the costs and all the deaths and millions of people who cannot get employment because they now have records

sometimes the cure is worse than the disease and sometimes the cure creates far worse ailments

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TurtleDude said:

you have a tendency to evade tough questions and blather or repeat the same idiocy over and over.

like your claim that magazine bans won't be a hardship

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You posted previously that the only hardship for you was that it would cost you a few extra bucks at the shooting range.

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TurtleDude said:

and people shouldn't buy crack cocaine

but tell me was the war on drugs worth the costs and all the deaths and millions of people who cannot get employment because they now have records

sometimes the cure is worse than the disease and sometimes the cure creates far worse ailments

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I get where you are coming from. I really do. Was there a one time.

And JFC, I don't think we should do anything to further gun control because of Shady Hook. Flooding the streets with guns or trying to remove guns off the streets so bad guys don't use them won't make a difference. It's only about making us feel that they are doing "something". Thats a horrible way to govern.

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Fisher said:

Have online schools and eliminate the target altogether.

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I'm the n00b here so excuse me but are you trying to be funny or making sarcastic comments towards me or both?

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BigRedChief said:

I'm the n00b here so excuse me but are you trying to be funny or making sarcastic comments towards me or both?

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Has nothing to do with you. While half tongue in cheek, I am half serious too. A lot of GED programs are online and college degrees too. Why not put the whole system there? It would save us a ton of cash.

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TurtleDude said:

and people shouldn't buy crack cocaine

but tell me was the war on drugs worth the costs and all the deaths and millions of people who cannot get employment because they now have records

sometimes the cure is worse than the disease and sometimes the cure creates far worse ailments

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So you are saying that you are addicted to guns? Is that possible? Is there treatment available?

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Catawba said:

AW and Hi cap mags do create higher rates of violence by ******s, who would not be man enough to massacre large numbers of people without AW and hi cap mags, as happens in the US.

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having a 30 round clip v a 20 round clip doesn't really mean that fewer casualties in a mass-shooting incident unless you have someone nearby who is armed and can return fire during reload; or someone who is very close and very fast. It doesn't take but a second or three to speed-reload a magazine.

However, nice dodge. I'll repeat it again: Guns are not behind higher rates of violence in the US.

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cpwill said:

having a 30 round clip v a 20 round clip doesn't really mean that fewer casualties in a mass-shooting incident unless you have someone nearby who is armed and can return fire during reload; or someone who is very close and very fast. It doesn't take but a second or three to speed-reload a magazine.

However, nice dodge. I'll repeat it again: Guns are not behind higher rates of violence in the US.

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An elderly vet was able to tackle the shooter in Arizona because he had to stop killing to change magazines.

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The evil LePierre wants to spend BILLIONS more on his "solution" but if you ask him and the other NRA'ers if there should be a new tax to pay for it they'll revolt against the tax![/QUOTE]

In California millionaires and billionaires are specially taxes to pay for mental health services. Why not do the same for the gun industry who supplies the guns and ammo, like we tax tobacco?

On today's Meet the Press he was questioned by the moderator who encouraged him not to be tangential on questions. LaPierre said that "a gun is a tool used by crazies..." If a gun is a tool used to kill people why not take the tool away?

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iguanaman said:

So you are saying that you are addicted to guns? Is that possible? Is there treatment available?

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I think I am addicted to freedom

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Glowpun said:

The evil LePierre wants to spend BILLIONS more on his "solution" but if you ask him and the other NRA'ers if there should be a new tax to pay for it they'll revolt against the tax!

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In California millionaires and billionaires are specially taxes to pay for mental health services. Why not do the same for the gun industry who supplies the guns and ammo, like we tax tobacco?

On today's Meet the Press he was questioned by the moderator who encouraged him not to be tangential on questions. LaPierre said that "a gun is a tool used by crazies..." If a gun is a tool used to kill people why not take the tool away?[/QUOTE]

the evil people are criminals and those who want to abrogate the rights of others

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Glowpun said:

The evil LePierre wants to spend BILLIONS more on his "solution" but if you ask him and the other NRA'ers if there should be a new tax to pay for it they'll revolt against the tax!

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I have an idea. Let's stop spending billions for our young men to police Afghanistan, and spend the resources on armed men to guard our schools- maybe even hire young ex-military guys and give them a useful role. Let the Afghans take care of their own problems.

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lizzie said:

I have an idea. Let's stop spending billions for our young men to police Afghanistan, and spend the resources on armed men to guard our schools- maybe even hire young ex-military guys and give them a useful role. Let the Afghans take care of their own problems.

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Hmmm, because our politicians care more about the Afghanistanis than our next generation?

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MaggieD said:

*Shaking Head*

We can put armed guards in most courthouses in the United States. Limited access at most every police station in the country. Yet we think protecting our children is polishing a turd.

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Just to comment.. A court house is where criminals go for hearings and trials.. A police station is where criminals go when they are arrested.. A school is where children go to learn.. Putting armed guards in a school turns the school into a prison.. Just saying.. So keep polishing that turd..

The biggest issue that seems to be largely missed is healthcare.. Mental healthcare to be specific.. How many mental hospitals were closed over the last 5 years?? I know my own state closed a bunch.. Where did all those patients go?? Well, most of them just put on the streets.. I don't know of a single state that has a gun control law that checks for history of mental illness.. Thus the problem is obvious..

The NRA can blame whatever they want.. All they are trying to do is protect their perceived right to be armed and stupid..

Video games and television doesn't make someone go into a school and shoot children.. Anyone who makes that claim simple doesn't have a working brain to begin with.. Our own history is peppered with violence and death.. From the holy wars, to world wars, to the civil war, to the public burning of witches.. How many war veterans have gone and killed a bunch of kids in a school?? There was a time in our history where not a single child was able to grow up without experiencing death up close and personal.. And now you want to blame video games and television?? Sorry.. Polishing another turd I think..

Yes, we need better controls.. We need more funding for mental health.. Either keep them off the streets or on the meds they need.. Not to mention guns out of their hands..

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Glowpun said:

In California millionaires and billionaires are specially taxes to pay for mental health services. Why not do the same for the gun industry who supplies the guns and ammo, like we tax tobacco?

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You do understand how regressive your proposal is…right? Consider if the taxes make guns unattainable to the ‘lower income folks’ is this fair?

On today's Meet the Press he was questioned by the moderator who encouraged him not to be tangential on questions. LaPierre said that "a gun is a tool used by crazies..." If a gun is a tool used to kill people why not take the tool away?

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Ok, so studies have shown that texting while driving causes deaths…should we take cellphones away?

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DemonMyst said:

Just to comment.. A court house is where criminals go for hearings and trials.. A police station is where criminals go when they are arrested.. A school is where children go to learn.. Putting armed guards in a school turns the school into a prison.. Just saying.. So keep polishing that turd..

The biggest issue that seems to be largely missed is healthcare.. Mental healthcare to be specific.. How many mental hospitals were closed over the last 5 years?? I know my own state closed a bunch.. Where did all those patients go?? Well, most of them just put on the streets.. I don't know of a single state that has a gun control law that checks for history of mental illness.. Thus the problem is obvious..

The NRA can blame whatever they want.. All they are trying to do is protect their perceived right to be armed and stupid..

Video games and television doesn't make someone go into a school and shoot children.. Anyone who makes that claim simple doesn't have a working brain to begin with.. Our own history is peppered with violence and death.. From the holy wars, to world wars, to the civil war, to the public burning of witches.. How many war veterans have gone and killed a bunch of kids in a school?? There was a time in our history where not a single child was able to grow up without experiencing death up close and personal.. And now you want to blame video games and television?? Sorry.. Polishing another turd I think..

Yes, we need better controls.. We need more funding for mental health.. Either keep them off the streets or on the meds they need.. Not to mention guns out of their hands..

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wonderful platitudes

practical? nah pretty much worthless

what controls would work (speak of polishing a turd)

armed staff at a school-yeah that would work

banning guns from people who are already in violation of numerous laws to have them

a turd of a solution

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DemonMyst said:

Just to comment.. A court house is where criminals go for hearings and trials.. A police station is where criminals go when they are arrested.. A school is where children go to learn.. Putting armed guards in a school turns the school into a prison.. Just saying.. So keep polishing that turd..

The biggest issue that seems to be largely missed is healthcare.. Mental healthcare to be specific.. How many mental hospitals were closed over the last 5 years?? I know my own state closed a bunch.. Where did all those patients go?? Well, most of them just put on the streets.. I don't know of a single state that has a gun control law that checks for history of mental illness.. Thus the problem is obvious..

The NRA can blame whatever they want.. All they are trying to do is protect their perceived right to be armed and stupid..

Video games and television doesn't make someone go into a school and shoot children.. Anyone who makes that claim simple doesn't have a working brain to begin with.. Our own history is peppered with violence and death.. From the holy wars, to world wars, to the civil war, to the public burning of witches.. How many war veterans have gone and killed a bunch of kids in a school?? There was a time in our history where not a single child was able to grow up without experiencing death up close and personal.. And now you want to blame video games and television?? Sorry.. Polishing another turd I think..

Yes, we need better controls.. We need more funding for mental health.. Either keep them off the streets or on the meds they need.. Not to mention guns out of their hands..

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I think, instead of polishing turds, you should polish your ability to present your arguments without using crude metaphors.

Putting an armed guard into schools does not (and need not) turn a school into a prison. I can think of many advantages to young children to having an "Officer Friendly" in their lives.

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Top Cat said:

I laughed my ass off when I heard this. You simply can't polish a turd better than that!

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Had there been armed cops in the schools that experienced massacres can any of you liberals calculate the comparative number of casualties? I'll try to make this simple for you all: I am an armed cop. A mentally deranged punk fully armed breaks in to the school. Before he fires one shot I shoot him to death. Now here is the question so get out your calculators; How many students did he kiill?

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This one short clip illustrates what happens to those who are not armed with a gun when facing a gun.

Those in gun free zones are left as bait to the idiots. The only answer is to allow guns or have the areas (like schools) manned by professionals and armed teachers.

Guns laws won't do squat when you've got a lunatic armed and motivated. I think the murderers have proven this.

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rhinefire said:

Had there been armed cops in the schools that experienced massacres can any of you liberals calculate the comparative number of casualties? I'll try to make this simple for you all: I am an armed cop. A mentally deranged punk fully armed breaks in to the school. Before he fires one shot I shoot him to death. Now here is the question so get out your calculators; How many students did he kiill?

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There was armed guards at Combine and at Va. tech. Sounds to me like you are just regurgitating NRA talking points.

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Zyphlin said:

And the uber-gunners rush to the chance to mimic those they decry by blaming inanimate objects they personally have an issue with for killings.

Then again, this is the same group that bitch about federal spending and federal mandates for schools.....and then immediately rush to applaud a call for something that would increase government spending and increase federal involvement in the schools.

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I don't think I've applauded it. And when you say the German word "uber" you might as well say "Nazi", because that's exactly what that alludes to. As a German-American I know, I've seen that **** before. It's almost a PC expression. Well the Nazis promoted the disarmament of the population, so "uber gunner" is an oxymoron.

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TurtleDude said:

Moronic comment alert. if my tax dollars supply such weapons to civilian police officers for use against criminals in an urban environment, those same weapons are just as useful for me to have for self defense.

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Your insult, calling my post (and me) moronic aside your point is pointless. You're not a cop and you're not in law enforcement. Police should have all the weapons they need to do their JOB. You, on the other hand and all other civilians DO NOT NEED AR 15 type weapons to protect us. You might be very capable and well trained but you're not a professional who earns his living protecting people. You can use all the other fun guns you have in your personal stash to protect yourself. I don't see how you having a weapon that has magazines or drums that hold 100 or more rounds will come into play at any point in your life to "protect" yourself in a way that your other guns won't.

That's my, to use your personal insult "moronic" point. No civilian has a need for those sort of weapons to protect themselves. If that is what you need to protect yourself you must live in a part of America that I didn't know existed...an alternate universe or is it simply a make believe bubble?

BTW - can you stop using hyperbole/insults about other community members while making a point? Is that too challenging for you?

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rhinefire said:

Had there been armed cops in the schools that experienced massacres can any of you liberals calculate the comparative number of casualties? I'll try to make this simple for you all: I am an armed cop. A mentally deranged punk fully armed breaks in to the school. Before he fires one shot I shoot him to death. Now here is the question so get out your calculators; How many students did he kiill?

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There was an armed cop at Columbine. How did that work out? Honestly, you macho "I have to have a gun to be a man" nut jobs won't be happy until there are armed guards everywhere. Yawn.