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NRA Newtown response [W:818]

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Fenton said:
Are all liberals this dense ? Forget I asked that....

Obviously I was talking about DEATHS....

Guns bought ? Where in the hell did you come up with that ?
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:lol:...she had to change the tune... the comparable numbers were not looking good for her ( abortions V gun deaths)
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Which US massacre used an "automatic weapon" ?
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Sorry you didn't understand that I abbreviated assault weapon as AW. Automatic weapons are already banned.
 
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Glowpun said:
Control has got to begin somewhere. Why are you so opposed to any gun control? It sounds as though you are obsessed with guns. EVERYTHING has to be on the table. Understood? One can not talk about gun control while selectively stating that the issue of guns itself are off the table.
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why are you so obsessed with control-- gun control is people control. everything that can be done wrongly with a gun is illegal. everything should be on the table such as allowing teachers to carry guns and getting rid of gun free zones. honest people should have the same weapons police officers use to fight criminals as well
 
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Fenton said:
............ Liberals. If you want them to stop counting dead soldiers, elect Obama.
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Correct. In the same vein as a tree falling in the woods that no one hears, dead soldiers are not an issue if not tallied.

Welcome to Obamabotville.
 
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upsideguy said:
On one hand, you should not feign ignorance of what I speak. I am pretty sure you know what I am talking about. If not, the Internet is a powerful thing, particularly when explored with a search engine such as Google. Do you have the Internet in your neigborhood? If so, try it (with Google) and you will have all kinds of information at your fingertips...

Gun shows in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Senator Frank R. Lautenberg

In all fairness, I appreciate the argument that gun shows are general venues for FFL dealers, which subject their customers to background checks; and the unchecked transactions involve "private sellers" engaged in "casual sales" (its not their business to sell guns). It is the nature of the private seller and how casual the sale really is that is the problem. An estimated 40% othf the gun market are casual sales.... and I certainly would not want to regulate the private market; though I would want to go after those that really are conducting business but hiding behind the "casual sale" shield.... many are.
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Lautenberg is an asshole-the type of turd that justifies the people being well armed

there are laws already to prosecute those who are engaged in the business of selling guns but who illegally do not get the necessary licenses
 
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jakiejakester said:
With all due respect your argument is totally a straw man. No one is suggesting that ALL guns be banned but what most Americans feel is that we do not need AR 15 type semi automatic weapons of mass destruction nor do we need magazines that hold 30 rounds. Getting rid of them will REDUCE mass murders but not stop them. It will, in no way whatsoever INCREASE gun murders if they're removed forever from this planet and that is the point.

The evil LePierre wants to spend BILLIONS more on his "solution" but if you ask him and the other NRA'ers if there should be a new tax to pay for it they'll revolt against the tax!
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Moronic comment alert. if my tax dollars supply such weapons to civilian police officers for use against criminals in an urban environment, those same weapons are just as useful for me to have for self defense.
 
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Catawba said:
Sorry you didn't understand that I abbreviated assault weapon as AW. Automatic weapons are already banned.
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What a joke. As compared to what, "non-assault" Glocks ?

The last "assault weapon" ban didn't do $hit.
 
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iguanaman said:
Give me a break, there is nothing to read. Over 4000 FPS and the bullet tumbles and breaks into pieces tearing your insides into hamburger. Maybe you think we should sell cyanide tipped bullets too?

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more lies, the 5.56 NATO round never comes near 4000 FPS and the current 62 grain SS109 and the other similar round does not even break 3200 FPS
 
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Catawba said:
AW and Hi cap mags do create higher rates of violence by ******s, who would not be man enough to massacre large numbers of people without AW and hi cap mags, as happens in the US.
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the idiotic posts just keep on coming. no proof but it demonstrates what really motivates the swill Catawba spews. HE just hates gun owners. They didn't support his peacenik jihad against America's armed forces
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
What a joke. As compared to what, "non-assault" Glocks ?

The last "assault weapon" ban didn't do $hit.
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It wasn't in place long enough to have much effect.
 
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TaraAnne said:
Tell me why America should be held hostage by 4 million members of a rightwing group while the rest of the 296 million get to watch children get shot.
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another bit of extremist psychobabble. The NRA campaigns for the constitutional rights of everyone. not just its members. you assume that your idiotic desires for gun bans are going to make people safer-how many LEGAL guns are used in all those murders in Chicago?
 
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TaraAnne said:
Tell me why America should be held hostage by 4 million members of a rightwing group while the rest of the 296 million get to watch children get shot.
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Actually it is way less than 4 million. Most members of the NRA do not oppose background checks for all sales or banning Assault weapons or large mags. The NRA speaks for gun manufacturers and to them every sale is a good sale. 25% of gun manufacturers sales are to criminals so you know where they stand.
 
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Catawba said:
It wasn't in place long enough to have much effect.
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And it had no teeth anyway. Existing weapons were allowed to continue to be sold instead of buying them back and making possesion illegal. We need to stop selling the .223 bullets they use too.

To guarantee that there would never be another Tucson or Sandy Hook, we would probably have to make it a capital offense to so much as look at a gun. And that would create serious 2nd Amendment, 8th Amendment and logistical problems.

So what's the alternative? Bring back the assault weapons ban, and bring it back with some teeth this time. Ban the manufacture, importation, sale, transfer and possession of both assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Don't let people who already have them keep them. Don't let ones that have already been manufactured stay on the market. I don't care whether it's called gun control or a gun ban. I'm for it.

I say all of this as a gun owner. I say it as a conservative who was appointed to the federal bench by a Republican president. I say it as someone who prefers Fox News to MSNBC, and National Review Online to the Daily Kos. I say it as someone who thinks the Supreme Court got it right in District of Columbia vs. Heller, when it held that the 2nd Amendment gives us the right to possess guns for self-defense. (That's why I have mine.) I say it as someone who, generally speaking, is not a big fan of the regulatory state.
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The conservative case for an assault weapons ban - Los Angeles Times
 
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Thrilla said:
:lol:...she had to change the tune... the comparable numbers were not looking good for her ( abortions V gun deaths)
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The point was about taxing abortions. My tounge in cheek comment was made about taxing guns. Seems you are trying to bring anothe discussion into play because you have no defence.

So here goes 10.8 million guns sold in the USA in 2011. There were 1.2 million abortions in 2011 your arguement hold no water and delusional at best trying to play that card. So I have a question for you would you give up your rights to bear arms to make abortion illegal? I cannot wait to see the total dodge on this!
 
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TurtleDude said:
another bit of extremist psychobabble. The NRA campaigns for the constitutional rights of everyone. not just its members. you assume that your idiotic desires for gun bans are going to make people safer-how many LEGAL guns are used in all those murders in Chicago?
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No the lobby for the gun companies period those days are long gone. The Nra used to stand for something now they are no more relevant than the teabaggers.
 
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TurtleDude said:
more lies, the 5.56 NATO round never comes near 4000 FPS and the current 62 grain SS109 and the other similar round does not even break 3200 FPS
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You are right it is "only" 3500 FPS and 45 shots a minute. We don't need that kind of firepower on the street or in our classrooms. They will have to go.
 
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iguanaman said:
You are right it is "only" 3500 FPS and 45 shots a minute. We don't need that kind of firepower on the street or in our classrooms. They will have to go.
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I can shoot a revolver faster than 45 rounds a minute


we don't need your lies either. those will have to go

and one of the reasons I keep weapons is so I can have a say when someone like you tries to enforce your definition of what I NEED for my own safety

given cops with far less training than I have are issued such weapons that proves they are useful for self defense against criminals

you are clueless about "firepower" and weapons

edify me as to your knowledge of the subject. everything i have seen from you demonstrate to an expert like me that you really have no understanding of the subject
 
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TaraAnne said:
No the lobby for the gun companies period those days are long gone. The Nra used to stand for something now they are no more relevant than the teabaggers.
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a throwaway bit of psychobabble

why is it that the only people making posts like yours are "very liberal" progressive socialist or clearly loony left?

Its because you think pushing gun bans will punish people who oppose your politics and your agenda
 
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TurtleDude said:
a throwaway bit of psychobabble

why is it that the only people making posts like yours are "very liberal" progressive socialist or clearly loony left?

Its because you think pushing gun bans will punish people who oppose your politics and your agenda
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So because I am very liberal I am know a socialist. So I think it fair t say since you are a Libertiarian you are a bigot and a racist. See I can call names like a five year to!.

However I see you have no reply because you know I am right and cant stand it.
 
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TaraAnne said:
So because I am very liberal I am know a socialist. So I think it fair t say since you are a Libertiarian you are a bigot and a racist. See I can call names like a five year to!.

However I see you have no reply because you know I am right and cant stand it.
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what stupidity. I never called you a socialist, I said those making posts like yours are very liberal (your lean) progressive (the leans of other anti gunners) socialist (Ditto) or loon left (my description of some)

but its obvious to me you think gun owners who object to the emoto-jihad against gun rights are bigots or racists is how you justify moronic solutions to massacres. Its to punish people who you find distasteful because we don't buy into your view on everything from "economic justice" to social issues such as LGBT rights or abortion.
 
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upsideguy said:
...we get a two fer as it also illustrated my point: the workaround was too easy. Tightening the gun show loophole would have made this much more difficult. Of course, you are not going to ever stop the highly determined, you can build enough barriers to frustrate all and deter the lesser determined. For the record, I do not believe any gun laws will stop gun violence; but the right legislation could reduce it.
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There's a gun show loophole on age restrictions? I don't think there is...is there?
 
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iguanaman said:
They were underage. A girl they knew bought the guns for them. She even told the salesman they weren't for her but he didn't care.
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So, again...the laws prevented nothing. Right?
 
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TaraAnne said:
No the lobby for the gun companies period those days are long gone. The Nra used to stand for something now they are no more relevant than the teabaggers.
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They have big financial pockets and members of congress that are beholden to their views. That makes them still relevant.
 
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TaraAnne said:
No the lobby for the gun companies period those days are long gone. The Nra used to stand for something now they are no more relevant than the teabaggers.
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What were you saying about name calling?
 
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