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NRA Newtown response [W:818]

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TurtleDude said:
I believe they got their main weapon from the illegal practice known as a straw purchase from another individual which is not stopped by a background check
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That is true. The guns were purchased at a gun show from a dealer that kept no records and did not remember the transaction.... so, yes, there was a surrogate... so, I will wander into some area of speculation (as I generally like to deal in facts that I can support), but I find it pretty hard to believe that a surrogate performs in a place where they are part of the audit trail. In the Columbine case, there was not audit trail... again, to some extent, because the transient nature of a gun show is less formal than that of a fixed store where cash registers must tie and ledgers have to agree to the cash register.
 
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jakiejakester said:
So you want everyone to have a the choice to buy guns but not the choice
to buy an abortion?
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Youv'e misunderstood my analogy.

The poster that was meant for suggested to "tax the crap" out of gun owners as a really dumb way to make herself feel more secure.


Buying and owning guns is constitutional and unfortunately so is stopping abhuman beating heart as long it's still in the protective womb of its mother.

I just suggested if you REALLY want to save innocent lives "tax the crap" out of abortions.

Random gun violence is nothing compared to the children that are killed by way of abortion every year.

I guess they need to be named for anyone to give a damn.
 
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Thrilla said:
you were provide a ballistics chart and ample time to read it..... why do remain ignorant on the matter?
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Give me a break, there is nothing to read. Over 4000 FPS and the bullet tumbles and breaks into pieces tearing your insides into hamburger. Maybe you think we should sell cyanide tipped bullets too?

The 5.56 NATO (.233) is the work horse of the American Military, as well as the armies of many other countries, being the cartridge used in the M-16 Rifle, first adopted during the VietnamWar and now used in the weapons of many other countries.
For a little bullet, the 5.56 bullet produces quite dramatic wounds. While the traditional 30-06 caliber bullet of the M1 Garand and 7.62 bullet of the M14 rifle would immediately knock a man down, the 5.56 bullet instead enters the body, quickly turns sideways after passing through only 4" of flesh, then breaks in two major pieces, as well as many smaller fragments. During the Vietnam War, soldiers reported that shooting an enemy soldier with the M16 did not kill as quickly as the old 30 caliber weapons. Instead soldiers would follow a massive trail a blood a few feet away from where the enemy soldier had been hit to find him dead from massive blood loss. This light-weight cartridge permits soldiers to carry more ammo, but is not as effective at long distances as heavier cartridges and does not penetrate steel as well. The low recoil permits quick follow-up shots and minimal muzzle climb during automatic fire.
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apdst said:
The Columbine kids couldnt pass a background check?
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They were underage. A girl they knew bought the guns for them. She even told the salesman they weren't for her but he didn't care.
 
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Catawba said:
For those of us aware of how laws get passed, public support is very important.
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Obamacare says you could not be more wrong, cause not only was it unpopular, but "we have to pass the bill to see what's in it".

You have confimed over-and-over the poster's assertion that you post things willy-nilly.
 
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Catawba said:
The country is more concerned now with the needless slaughter of innocent people than they are with people only being injured.
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Murder is the same. Guns are not behind higher rates of violence in the US.
 
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iguanaman said:
They were underage. A girl they knew bought the guns for them. She even told the salesman they weren't for her but he didn't care.
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:shock: But, but, that's impossible! I have it on very good authority that restrictions on gun purchases keep them out of the hands of those for whom the restrictions are intended!
 
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apdst said:
Thank you for illustrating my point.
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...we get a two fer as it also illustrated my point: the workaround was too easy. Tightening the gun show loophole would have made this much more difficult. Of course, you are not going to ever stop the highly determined, you can build enough barriers to frustrate all and deter the lesser determined. For the record, I do not believe any gun laws will stop gun violence; but the right legislation could reduce it.
 
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upsideguy said:
...we get a two fer as it also illustrated my point: the workaround was too easy. Tightening the gun show loophole would have made this much more difficult. Of course, you are not going to ever stop the highly determined, you can build enough barriers to frustrate all and deter the lesser determined. For the record, I do not believe any gun laws will stop gun violence; but the right legislation could reduce it.
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All the mass killers are uber-determined, are they not ? Meanwhile, you advocate infinging on the rights of the law-abiders to accomplish ............. nothing !

No thanks.
 
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iguanaman said:
Give me a break, there is nothing to read. Over 4000 FPS and the bullet tumbles and breaks into pieces tearing your insides into hamburger. Maybe you think we should sell cyanide tipped bullets too?

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give you a break?... no.... not until you get your facts correct.
 
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I think Wayne LaPierre idea is almost correct. it would just costs too much money.
Before many parts of the country had concealed carry laws, someone who wanted or needed to carry
a concealed weapon, would join the police auxiliary.
The positions were largely unpaid, required police training, but the person was a licensed police officer.
I suggest that any person who aspires to be a school administrator, must also be an auxiliary police officer.
Just like they need certification in education administration and a Degree.
All of the the gun free zones exclude licensed police officers.
Teachers could also volunteer, or maybe even receive a small stipend for being an licensed officer,(like being a coach).
Having even 2 of 3 armed auxiliary police on each campus, should harden the schools enough to send the nutcases to softer targets.
 
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longview said:
I think Wayne LaPierre idea is almost correct. it would just costs too much money.
Before many parts of the country had concealed carry laws, someone who wanted or needed to carry
a concealed weapon, would join the police auxiliary.
The positions were largely unpaid, required police training, but the person was a licensed police officer.
I suggest that any person who aspires to be a school administrator, must also be an auxiliary police officer.
Just like they need certification in education administration and a Degree.
All of the the gun free zones exclude licensed police officers.
Teachers could also volunteer, or maybe even receive a small stipend for being an licensed officer,(like being a coach).
Having even 2 of 3 armed auxiliary police on each campus, should harden the schools enough to send the nutcases to softer targets.
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Did you see the graphs earlier in thread about the absurd bloating of useless school administration ? Jeezus Christ ! If we could cut out that waste, we could make every school much much safer using less than 20% of the saved funds.

Ain't gonna happen though. Cause in the liberal world, a useless union job in school admin is more important than the children. It was never "for the children" with the liberals. What an f'ing joke.
 
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Fenton said:
Ridiculous...

You know we could save allot more lives if we taxed the crap out of abortions and not guns.
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Lol there are way more guns bought in a year than abortions.
 
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cpwill said:
Murder is the same. Guns are not behind higher rates of violence in the US.
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AW and Hi cap mags do create higher rates of violence by ******s, who would not be man enough to massacre large numbers of people without AW and hi cap mags, as happens in the US.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Did you see the graphs earlier in thread about the absurd bloating of useless school administration ? Jeezus Christ ! If we could cut out that waste, we could make every school much much safer using less than 20% of the saved funds.

Ain't gonna happen though. Cause in the liberal world, a useless union job in school admin is more important than the children. It was never "for the children" with the liberals. What an f'ing joke.
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Tell me why America should be held hostage by 4 million members of a rightwing group while the rest of the 296 million get to watch children get shot.
 
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Catawba said:
AW and Hi cap mags do create higher rates of violence by ******s, who would not be man enough to massacre large numbers of people without AW and hi cap mags, as happens in the US.
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Which US massacre used an "automatic weapon" ?
 
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TaraAnne said:
Tell me why America should be held hostage by 4 million members of a rightwing group while the rest of the 296 million get to watch children get shot.
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After you reconcile to the rest of us why liberals are so stupid.
 
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TaraAnne said:
Lol there are way more guns bought in a year than abortions.
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Are all liberals this dense ? Forget I asked that....

Obviously I was talking about DEATHS....

Guns bought ? Where in the hell did you come up with that ?
 
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TaraAnne said:
Tell me why America should be held hostage by 4 million members of a
rightwing group while the rest of the 296 million get to watch children get shot.
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Wow......hyperbole mixed with lies mixed with demagogy.

Oh wait, thats all liberal post..Nvmnd.

Who's holding you hostage ? Some right wing nut is standing over you not letting you leave your home ?

I would suggest you call 911 and quit posting immediately.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Did you see the graphs earlier in thread about the absurd bloating of useless school administration ? Jeezus Christ ! If we could cut out that waste, we could make every school much much safer using less than 20% of the saved funds.

Ain't gonna happen though. Cause in the liberal world, a useless union job in school admin is more important than the children. It was never "for the children" with the liberals. What an f'ing joke.
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If the anti-gun crowd can use a tragedy to promote an agenda, perhaps something useful can emerge.
All of these jobs have prerequisites, adding one more will not hurt.
 
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Catawba said:
AW and Hi cap mags do create higher rates of violence by ******s, who would not be man enough to massacre large numbers of people without AW and hi cap mags, as happens in the US.
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try as i might, I can't find stats on violence committed by ******s.

if you are trying to say assault weapons and hi caps mags increase violent crime rates... that would be factually incorrect
 
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longview said:
If the anti-gun crowd can use a tragedy to promote an agenda, perhaps
something useful can emerge.
All of these jobs have prerequisites, adding one more will not hurt.
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How about they grow some semblence of character and not use the blood of 27 innocent people to push more useless laws because "guns are scary".

How about they quit pretending to care one bit about 20 innocent children and push some solutions that actually work.

Liberals. If you want them to stop counting dead soldiers, elect Obama.
 
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