• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

NRA Newtown response [W:818]

Re: NRA Newtown response

poweRob said:
If you want to know, read the thread your in instead of pulling conservative stereotypes of liberals out of your hind.
Click to expand...

You do realize I was once a progressive? yeah, but I just grew up.

The whole; "I'm a victim" thing and "everything else is someone elses fault" kinda turned me off to the progressive philosophy.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

Mr.Nick said:
Oh I can prove it...

How many school shootings have happened since Columbine? how many before?

Now would you say society is more progressive today than it was when "evil white men" were running the show pre-1990 (or so).
Click to expand...

So your saying president george bush and the majority GOP congress and senate were leading the country in a progressive manner?

Plus you have a big fallacy of trying to prove causation, which you've shown over and over you can't because of the whole grand conspiracy that people won't study it because they are all progressives.

Clearly you refuse to adopt critical thinking into your logic.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

Mr.Nick said:
You do realize I was once a progressive? yeah, but I just grew up.

The whole; "I'm a victim" thing and "everything else is someone elses fault" kinda turned me off.
Click to expand...

Really? Because as a conservative voice in this thread, those are the cards you keep playing for yourself.

You know, how you went on the attack in this thread and then whined about being attacked, then blaming progressives for mass shootings... ring a bell? nah.. I suppose not.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

Eighty Deuce said:
See the part I bolded. Guess again.

Progressives are anti-religion in every way that they can be. Progressives embrace class envy. That one's own flaws are the fault of others, to be remedied by others.

Heck. Look at your posts as evidence.
Click to expand...

Great... progressives aren't to blame... but then you blame them because of class envey abnd lack of religion. Your paradox doesn't make a lick of sense.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

cpwill said:
However, the point remains. We are hiring lots of folks whom we probably don't really need, but who don't have as their primary focus the education of children. Let us make some of those hirees veterans who are trained First Responders; and who in the mean time can assist in the library or whatever.
Click to expand...
I hope you mean vetted war veterans ! (of course you do) I would love to give them such a loving place in our society to prove that society doesn't hate them.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

Eighty Deuce said:
I believe that a Jack Nicholson character said it best, and I paraphrase: "Liberals can't handle the truth".

The last three bigtime shooters, Va Tech, Aurora, and Newtown, were all oddball recluses who were heavily immersed into violent video games. Perhaps you can find for the rest of us similar carnage from the 60's and 70's ? We had lots of guns then too.

In all fairness, when I hear most liberals talk about gun control, I hear nothing but stupidity as well. ;)
Click to expand...


Haha guns dont kill people but video games do! That is exactly what you are saying. More guns will not solve the problem, however I think if the NRA wants this then they can pay for it after all arnt these the same people that want people of the terrorist watch list to still be able to buy guns. Heaven forbid they would do something right than be in the pocket of gun makers. The NRA and the membership lost alot of cred this week. Basiccally when tighter restrictions are past they will not have a voice at the table.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

ReformCollege said:
For all the noise that the left makes about gun control, I have still yet to see any substantially convincing evidence that gun control would actually WORK.

Until I start seeing some facts, this is all just hyperbole.
Click to expand...

Why would it work? there is no evidence to even suggest it would, and we have numerous examples of this - the UK comes first to mind.

Killers are killers, if a gun isn't round they will use anything as a weapon in a rage. I saw a lunatic at a bar one time go ballistic and throw a dart at a guy (he was fine) but if he was closer he probably would have killed him wit a dart (or maybe something else in reach that wasn't a gun).
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

TaraAnne said:
Haha guns dont kill people but video games do! That is exactly what you are saying. More guns will not solve the problem, however I think if the NRA wants this then they can pay for it after all arnt these the same people that want people of the terrorist watch list to still be able to buy guns. Heaven forbid they would do something right than be in the pocket of gun makers. The NRA and the membership lost alot of cred this week. Basiccally when tighter restrictions are past they will not have a voice at the table.
Click to expand...

More guns may not solve the problem, but I have yet to see a valid argument that less guns will.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

poweRob said:
Really? Because as a conservative voice in this thread, those are the cards you keep playing for yourself.

You know, how you went on the attack in this thread and then whined about being attacked, then blaming progressives for mass shootings... ring a bell? nah.. I suppose not.
Click to expand...

I don't believe you know what the definition of liberal, progressive, conservative, or libertarian is.

Yes, I am a conservative libertarian.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

ReformCollege said:
More guns may not solve the problem, but I have yet to see a valid argument that less guns will.
Click to expand...

I have never said less or more guns. Tounge in cheek I said tax the crap out of them like tabacco. Limit the size of the clips period, then lets address the cuts to mental health issue. The NRA needs to go back to training and safty instead of lobbist. We have 350 million guns and probably many more than that and well it didnt stop this.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

TaraAnne said:
I have never said less or more guns. Tounge in cheek I said tax the crap out of them like tabacco. Limit the size of the clips period, then lets address the cuts to mental health issue. The NRA needs to go back to training and safty instead of lobbist. We have 350 million guns and probably many more than that and well it didnt stop this.
Click to expand...

You would also need to prove that those factors would reduce gun violence as well.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

TaraAnne said:
Haha guns dont kill people but video games do! That is exactly what you are saying. More guns will not solve the problem, however I think if the NRA wants this then they can pay for it after all arnt these the same people that want people of the terrorist watch list to still be able to buy guns. Heaven forbid they would do something right than be in the pocket of gun makers. The NRA and the membership lost alot of cred this week. Basiccally when tighter restrictions are past they will not have a voice at the table.
Click to expand...

The NRA and gunmakers have membership and sales going through the roof. Just as liberals seem to have the absurd flailing of their arms and the hoisting of strawmen going through the roof.

Your posts are no longer worth my attention. Tata.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

ReformCollege said:
You would also need to prove that those factors would reduce gun violence as well.
Click to expand...

Who to say if it will or will not . As you know you show me one study that says one thing Ill show you another that says something else. Just depends on who paid fo rthe study. However, if we are going to start putting guns in the school and treating our children like prisoners. I think we might need to start looking at our values as a nation. Maybe we shoud look to the North and see what works well. Take the good parts from other countries an implement them.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

poweRob said:
Great... progressives aren't to blame... but then you blame them because of class envey abnd lack of religion. Your paradox doesn't make a lick of sense.
Click to expand...

The continued decline of our society into "progressivism" may yield results which you agree with. It also has a dark side. Really dark.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

Eighty Deuce said:
The NRA and gunmakers have membership and sales going through the roof. Just as liberals seem to have the absurd flailing of their arms and the hoisting of strawmen going through the roof.

Your posts are no longer worth my attention. Tata.
Click to expand...

Thank God because anyone that would blame video games over a gun is nothing more than a mental midget to begin with. We will see how this plays out over the next few years. Unfortunatly it will be like most rightwing teabagger causes dead in the water.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

TaraAnne said:
Who to say if it will or will not . As you know you show me one study that says one thing Ill show you another that says something else. Just depends on who paid fo rthe study. However, if we are going to start putting guns in the school and treating our children like prisoners. I think we might need to start looking at our values as a nation. Maybe we shoud look to the North and see what works well. Take the good parts from other countries an implement them.
Click to expand...

Since when did safety =/= prision?
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

TaraAnne said:
Thank God because anyone that would blame video games over a gun is nothing more than a mental midget to begin with. We will see how this plays out over the next few years. Unfortunatly it will be like most rightwing teabagger causes dead in the water.
Click to expand...

i dont think this has to do with video games or guns. this guy was evil and probably hated life and wanted everybody else to die 2 because he hated his life so much. we shouldnt take away any of our rights imo
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

Less guns won't solve anything and more guns or just a band-aid and quite frankly one that I don't want to ever have to put down. Our country will be in a sad place if there are stationed guards at every major cross street in the country.

The issues lives with desensitized child at young ages and the prospect of becoming "legend" thanks to sensational media.

  1. Parents, don't allow your children to watch movies or play games not suited for their age range. There is no reason a 10 year old should be playing Call of Duty.
  2. Also parents, communicate with your children and let them know who they are is perfect and they dont need the approval of others.
  3. Media, take into consideration the 80/20 rule. 80% of your time should be focused on those that lost their lives and 20%, or less, on those that took them.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

TaraAnne said:
Thank God because anyone that would blame video games over a gun is nothing more than a mental midget to begin with. We will see how this plays out over the next few years. Unfortunatly it will be like most rightwing teabagger causes dead in the water.
Click to expand...

Pretty much refering to what I have read here and in other threads everything from arming staff, police at schools, and every other nut bull things. Yes it would be exactly like a prison.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

teachix4jesus said:
i dont think this has to do with video games or guns. this guy was evil and probably hated life and wanted everybody else to die 2 because he hated his life so much. we shouldnt take away any of our rights imo
Click to expand...

Where did I say any guns were to be taken away. Lets see ummm I said clips not guns. Tell me exactly what does one need a 30 to 100 round clip for. Oh by the way welcome !! I promise you will have fun here
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

cpwill said:
A) the officer was outside
B) the officer actually did get a shot off - apparently he missed
C) I agree. There should be a minimum of two.
Click to expand...

I would like to apologize. Apparently A) ad B) weren't fully accurate.

Because in fact the officer in question (a Sherrifs Deputy) was in a firefight with one of the shooters, keeping him in place for an extended period of time, during which the shooters' gun jammed; and then organized an evacuation of the students before SWAT arrived - saving an untold number of lives.


Gosh. It seems that having an armed first responder at Columbine was a good idea. Which, I suppose, is why roughly 1/3 of schools already do.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

teachix4jesus said:
i dont think this has to do with video games or guns. this guy was evil and probably hated life and wanted everybody else to die 2 because he hated his life so much. we shouldnt take away any of our rights imo
Click to expand...

I don't support any gun control measures as a result, but I don't believe the kid was evil. He was just unfortunate in that he was so screwed up mentally. Not excusing his actions, but evil is not a word which I would apply in this case.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

thankyou! i know you didnt say that but thats what im hearing all on the news, its blaming the guns and blaming the video games
but nobody is blaming the shooter and its not that I need a 100 round clip although my dad is a hunter and does use guns though im
not sure what he has because he locks his guns and is responsible. what i dont think the government should take away the rights that
we have been given. we dont need less rights now jmho
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

lizzie said:
I don't support any gun control measures as a result, but I don't believe the kid was evil. He was just unfortunate in that he was so screwed up mentally. Not excusing his actions, but evil is not a word which I would apply in this case.
Click to expand...

No, I wouldn't either. This young man was very sick, and his actions accomplished evil. But I can't use the word "evil" to describe him either.
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

dirtpoorchris said:
I hope you mean vetted war veterans ! (of course you do) I would love to give them such a loving place in our society to prove that society doesn't hate them.
Click to expand...

And frankly, they would love doing it. For lots of the guys who did time in the infantry, the job options seem to be A) Cop B) low-end manual labor. Giving them a C) protect children from psycho's would be an option many of them would be thrilled to get.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom