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NRA Newtown response [W:818]

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TurtleDude said:
why don't you have the honesty to tell people why you are spending so much time braying in favor of more stupid gun laws?

You can never enforce private sales being subjected to a check. unless all guns are registered-probably a dream of yours but its not gonna happen.
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They already have closed the loophole in some states. It will not be that hard to close them in the remaining states.
 
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MaggieD said:
*Shaking Head*

We can put armed guards in most courthouses in the United States. Limited access at most every police station in the country. Yet we think protecting our children is polishing a turd.
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Well to be honest, there are nearly 100k schools in the U.S.
That's quite an expense, although I think it's doable.
 
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Catawba said:
They already have closed the loophole in some states. It will not be that hard to close them in the remaining states.
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no they haven't. stop lying
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
Well to be honest, there are nearly 100k schools in the U.S.
That's quite an expense, although I think it's doable.
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its so much cheaper allowing teachers with CCW permits to carry
 
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poweRob said:
Are you just venting or did you actually expect someone to attempt a retort against all that whiney politicized hyperbolistic garbage?
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Nothing hyperbolic about it. It's the truth and you're still defending your position taken because of a mass killing of children and 7 adults.

Is it me or did I miss your previous anti-NRA threads prior to the shootings ?

No you're doing the typical liberal selective ethics Kabooki presentation where you arbitrarily give your self way to much credit for the blatant exploitation of a mass murder.


Just because you've found a way to justify it doesn't mean it's still not a pretty low life thing to do.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
NRA typical ****. Its everyone's fault except the weapons they uphold. Apparently we need to buy more guns! Who woulda thought the NRA advocate that position!? I also thought it was quite hilarious that hardly any Republicans went on record about the shooting in relations to guns until after the NRA came out with this statement, we can see whos in the NRA's pockets.
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How can an inanimate object be to blame?
It doesn't have a will of it's own.

Him blaming video games and movies is incredibly dumb, but so is blaming non living things.
 
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TurtleDude said:
more dishonesty. there was far less crimes of violence before the UK started banning guns

we get more guns and less crime, they have less LEGAL guns and more crime
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How many people died as a result of violence in the UK each year? And how many people die of violence in the US each year?
 
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Thrilla said:
people talk about gun violence all day long.....very little of it is productive.

I won't take any gun banners seriously.. I won't take people seriously who blame the gun and not the person behind the trigger for his actions.
stupid people are not high on my list of people to take seriously.
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I'm not for banning guns outright myself. I'll admit it. Shooting guns is ****ing fun. As I said though in this thread, The folks who do this kind of mass crap are the biggest cowards ever. If they had to do it without a gun, it wouldn't happen. They could not face people down hand to hand or even with knife or machette. They could still plant bombs but they can't buy a bomb. They run a risk of getting caught just buying the materials and taking the time to assemble them.

These things will still happen but without a gun in their hand, the spontenaity and the impersonal nature of taking someone down by a gun would help kill off the plans of a wimp. I still think all sorts of guns should be out there and we will not always keep them out of wrong hands. I'm not about to go all crazy with some gunless utopian society crap. I do however think that there is a conversation to be had about high capacity clips, assault rifles, non-hunting stuff like that. I don't see any need to ban guns outright. 4-10's, 10, 12, 20 guage shotguns. 30-30's, 30 aught 6, my dad's 303 British Enfield (with stock carved by my grandad that was stolen dammit)...
 
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Catawba said:
How many people died as a result of violence in the UK each year?
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that is not relevant, the issue is whether their gun bans were responsible for that-they are not
 
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Fenton said:
Actually I agree with Maggie D. There is a desensitizing effect on kids who play and are exposed to violence through movies and the internet. Do all Canadians think that exposing a young mind, of any age to a violent filled movie, games or internet is a good idea ?

Is it your opinion that that our society or yours benefits from a arbitrary exposure to blatant violence ?

And guns ? Canada has the luxury of being America's Top Hat and pushing socialist ideology and policies that would be economically impossible if if were up to Canadians to defend their selves with any considerable self funded military.

Before Texas became a conceal carry State we got to listen to the empty headed liberals tell us how our State would, because of our new law devolve into a Wild West style every man for himself nightmare.

It didn't happen and in fact has led a society that has the means to protect itself from criminals who with or with out gun laws threaten our citizens.

You'll never empty our country of firearms, especially when our politicians refuse to protect our Southern borders so give those who would abide by the existing laws and conform to their second amendment rights the chance to protect themselves and their families.
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Our kids get the same garbage as yours.
 
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Fenton said:
Nothing hyperbolic about it. It's the truth and you're still defending your position taken because of a mass killing of children and 7 adults.

Is it me or did I miss your previous anti-NRA threads prior to the shootings ?

No you're doing the typical liberal selective ethics Kabooki presentation where you arbitrarily give your self way to much credit for the blatant exploitation of a mass murder.


Just because you've found a way to justify it doesn't mean it's still not a pretty low life thing to do.
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You are frothing at the mouth due to a mental lapse... Good luck finding me ranting about the NRA in other threads or even being in the gun forum much at all if ever. I think I might have been in there once. You are simply doing a standard anti-liberal rant and putting my face on it without even knowing a thing about my positions on it all.

I stay away from most gun chatter threads because as your post suggest, it is far too polarized to even try to explain that I'm not of the position that everyone should have a nuke or the position that everyone should be naked and without any weapon at all... and this topic doesn't seem to allow anyone who isn't one or the other of these two positions.
 
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Catawba said:
How many people died as a result of violence in the UK each year? And how many people die of violence in the US each year?
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So what ? Your going to legislate away stupidity ? Gang violence ?

Impossible especially in a Country that doesn't defend it's Southern Border.
 
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poweRob said:
I'm not for banning guns outright myself. I'll admit it. Shooting guns is ****ing fun. As I said though in this thread, The folks who do this kind of mass crap are the biggest cowards ever. If they had to do it without a gun, it wouldn't happen. They could not face people down hand to hand or even with knife or machette. They could still plant bombs but they can't buy a bomb. They run a risk of getting caught just buying the materials and taking the time to assemble them.
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A lot of these people aren't right in the head, at least with mass shootings.
School shootings are rare to boot.

Assembling a bomb won't get you caught, the materials are widely available.

poweRob said:
These things will still happen but without a gun in their hand, the spontenaity and the impersonal nature of taking someone down by a gun would help kill off the plans of a wimp. I still think all sorts of guns should be out there and we will not always keep them out of wrong hands. I'm not about to go all crazy with some gunless utopian society crap. I do however think that there is a conversation to be had about high capacity clips, assault rifles, non-hunting stuff like that. I don't see any need to ban guns outright. 4-10's, 10, 12, 20 guage shotguns. 30-30's, 30 aught 6, my dad's 303 British Enfield (with stock carved by my grandad that was stolen dammit)...
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Removing 30 round mags or "assault rifles" won't make any reasonable impact on gun violence.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that is not relevant, the issue is whether their gun bans were responsible for that-they are not
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If that is not relevant, than your post I was responding to was not relevant.
 
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TurtleDude said:
its so much cheaper allowing teachers with CCW permits to carry
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trained teachers and administrators. If the principal at at Sandy Hook would have had a firearm locked in a safe that she had easy access to those children could have been saved. Why is that so hard for people to believe?
 
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SgtRock said:
trained teachers and administrators. If the principal at at Sandy Hook would have had a firearm locked in a safe that she had easy access those children could have been saved. Why is that so hard for people to believe?
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because there would not be so many bodies whose blood can be used to fuel the jihad against our rights

do you really think the anti gun extremists like seeing massacres thwarted by honest people using guns?
 
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In Israel teachers carry carbines. They don't have school shootings in Israel.



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Now we are to take time to turn people into highly trained security personel... the very people who, as we've been told for some time now, are overpaid and incompetent teachers whose pay are bankrupting cities and who barely have time in the day to sleep after teaching all day and grading papers all night.
 
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solletica said:
Anyone who doesn't see a problem w/more armed individuals in positions of power over young, cute children needs a psychiatrist immediately.
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They can sit in the office next to the people who don't see a problem with leaving those same children at the mercy of psychos.
 
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poweRob said:
Now we are to take time to turn people into highly trained security personel... the very people who, as we've been told for some time now, are overpaid and incompetent teachers whose pay are bankrupting cities and who barely have time in the day to sleep after teaching all day and grading papers all night.
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In Israel, teachers are veterans. Seems like a rather obvious source for such personnel.
 
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poweRob said:
Now we are to take time to turn people into highly trained security personel... the very people who, as we've been told for some time now, are overpaid and incompetent teachers whose pay are bankrupting cities and who barely have time in the day to sleep after teaching all day and grading papers all night.
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That's not it at all.
A teacher seeking a CCW permit, is more likely to be trained than your average teacher.

If you think that they should have official training, before being allowed to carry on campus, I'd be on board with that.
Make it voluntary.
 
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SgtRock said:
trained teachers and administrators. If the principal at at Sandy Hook would have had a firearm locked in a safe that she had easy access to those children could have been saved. Why is that so hard for people to believe?
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...because that would not allow them to cynically leverage the deaths of children to achieve policy goals?
 
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poweRob said:
Now we are to take time to turn people into highly trained security personel... the very people who, as we've been told for some time now, are overpaid and incompetent teachers whose pay are bankrupting cities and who barely have time in the day to sleep after teaching all day and grading papers all night.
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Excellent point Rob!
 
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SgtRock said:
trained teachers and administrators. If the principal at at Sandy Hook would have had a firearm locked in a safe that she had easy access those children could have been saved. Why is that so hard for people to believe?
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How many times do we have to repeat this?

There was an armed guard at Columbine.

Nancy Lanza was pretty well armed as well. How'd that work out for her.

The over-whelming majority of parents would never support that at elementary schools. NEVER. (in fact any parent who would support that should get a visit from child services IMO)

Patrols with trained police officers, fine. But those officers' time would be better spent auditing and updating lists of people who are never allowed to own a weapon. Every police department should have an anonymous tip line for people to call in their concerns about gun owners in the community who may have flew under the radar. The police can check public records for domestic abuse, and military records for dishonorable discharge or PTSD.

Will these armed principles and janitors be wearing Kevlar vests? Because all the shooters do.

Do you guys think these things through?
 
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