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NRA Newtown response [W:818]

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poweRob said:
It's how Jared Loughner got stopped...

Woman Wrestled Fresh Ammo Clip From Tucson Shooter as He Tried to Reload

Unforunately, he had a high capacity clip so he got of 20 more rounds than had he had a normal clip before he had to change.
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Again, its a red herring. Are you seriously arguing between a 20 round clip or a 30 round one ? My own experience was to always prefer the standard 20 round one as the 30's were far more prone to jamming, btw. We would tape 3 of the 20's together though ;)
 
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"How hard is it to spot a marijuana farm?
How hard is it to spot a gun manufacturer?

Apples and oranges is apples and oranges."


And excuses are still excuses.
 
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Middleground said:
Rifle? Is tha your euphemism for 'gun that can release a ****load of bullets between nanoseconds'? Why would such a gun be needed besides wanting to turn your deer into Swiss cheese?
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Because they are fun to shoot.

Why would homo butt sex be needed as it cannot produce babies.....

And... Assault Rifles are already illegal (As Redress pointed out). Semi Automatic guns in general, whether they be rifles or pistols, only fire as fast as the person who can squeeze the trigger each time a bullet is fired.

I don't think you quite understand the details of a topic you are trying to debate.


Which is the problem for most people debating FOR gun control.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Again, its a red herring. Are you seriously arguing between a 20 round clip or a 30 round one ? My own experience was to always prefer the standard 20 round one as the 30's were far more prone to jamming, btw. We would tape 3 of the 20's together though ;)
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Jared Loughner used a Glock 19 which held 15 rounds with it's factory magazine. The high capacity clip allowed him 31 shots before reloading.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Takes one second to change clips.Magazine size is a political red-herring.
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If that is your belief, you can hardly claim hardship if they are banned.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
A#1) No.

A#2) No.

You chose Japan as the analogy. Japan allows virtually no guns. That is not what is on the table here.

Further, as I crudely noted, all of Japan's crime rates are hugely lower than ours. Their society is in nowhere near the state of moral decay that ours is.

Want to take a guess as to their rate of "flash mob" crime ? How about arrests for playing "knockout" ? Those crimes have nothing to do with guns.
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Thecorrect answer to both would be yes, not no. You still have no clue what the simple point I was making is.
 
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Middleground said:
I don't know the answer for sure (does anybody?), but gun violence in the US is staggeringly high.
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In the US in 2012, the rate of gun murders per 100k was 3.59, nonfatal gun assaults 11.8, and gun aggravated assaults 50.8. Add them all together and you still get a rate of under 0.1 %.
 
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Caine said:
Because they are fun to shoot.

Why would homo butt sex be needed as it cannot produce babies.....

And... Assault Rifles are already illegal (As Redress pointed out). Semi Automatic guns in general, whether they be rifles or pistols, only fire as fast as the person who can squeeze the trigger each time a bullet is fired.

I don't think you quite understand the details of a topic you are trying to debate.


Which is the problem for most people debating FOR gun control.
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Homo sex is between consenting adults. Gun violence not so much;. Stupid comparisons are stupid.
 
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Redress said:
Homo sex is between consenting adults. Gun violence not so much;. Stupid comparisons are stupid.
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Homo Sex can be rape...... which is not consenting........

Shooting a semi auto rifle at targets is a hobby that one consents to.
 
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Catawba said:
If that is your belief, you can hardly claim hardship if they are banned.
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I am claiming that it will not fix anything.
 
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Redress said:
Thecorrect answer to both would be yes, not no. You still have no clue what the simple point I was making is.
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I got your point perfectly. Then I showed it was a false analogy.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
I got your point perfectly. Then I showed it was a false analogy.
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You have not shown anything to be false. Nice try though. Hint: Don't read more into what I wrote than what is actually there, and do not make assumptions that may not be true.
 
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poweRob said:
NRA Newtown response: National program to place armed security in schools

LaPierre in part blamed mass shootings on "vicious, violent video games" such as "Bulletstorm," "Grand Theft Auto," Mortal Kombat" and "Splatterhouse." He also reached back in time to place blame on movies like "American Psycho" and "Natural Born Killers" for portraying "life as a joke and murder as a way of life."​

He went on to say that congress should put armed officers in every school in America. Who'd a thunk that a lobby for gun manufacturing comes up with the solution that we need to sell more guns? What a shocker.

Anywhoo... I find it interesting that he chose to put a stupidity rift on this issue between his lobbying for the gun manufacturing industry and the video game, movie and music industries. He made it appear as "Guns? it's not gu.... LOOK OVER THERE!"
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The NRA didn't know that Columbine already had armed guards on their campus, and Virginia Tech already had a police force on their campus? How did that work out?
 
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danarhea said:
The NRA didn't know that Columbine already had armed guards on their campus, and Virginia Tech already had a police force on their campus? How did that work out?
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So what is YOUR solution?
 
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Redress said:
You have not shown anything to be false. Nice try though. Hint: Don't read more into what I wrote than what is actually there, and do not make assumptions that may not be true.
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LOL ... you ask me two yes/no questions, and I answer "no" to each, and you then say that the answer should be "yes". Is that the kind of debate you are talking about ?

I not only rebutted your example, with facts, but you have failed to then rebut my points. You can keep whining though.

Folks. Before the VA Teck shooting, campus police there did not carry guns. Afterwards, they changed the policy, and now they do.

Same with Northern Illinois. That is the best first solution. Not "gun control". Not the decay of society, which cannot be reversed before it gets much worse.
 
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MaggieD said:
*Shaking Head*

We can put armed guards in most courthouses in the United States. Limited access at most every police station in the country. Yet we think protecting our children is polishing a turd.
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Like this a thousand times.



We have 10% unemployment among our veterans.... and a whole bunch of schools who need trained responders who have a proven willingness to put themselves in danger for the sake of others. Sounds to me like we should let one problem solve another.
 
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Middleground said:
I don't know the answer for sure (does anybody?), but gun violence in the US is staggeringly high.
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Violence in the US is higher than other industrialized nations - and that rate does not change if you control for guns.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
I am claiming that it will not fix anything.
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Others do not share your beliefs, but its good to know you would not consider their absence a hardship.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
LOL ... you ask me two yes/no questions, and I answer "no" to each, and you then say that the answer should be "yes". Is that the kind of debate you are talking about ?

I not only rebutted your example, with facts, but you have failed to then rebut my points. You can keep whining though.

Folks. Before the VA Teck shooting, campus police there did not carry guns. Afterwards, they changed the policy, and now they do.

Same with Northern Illinois. That is the best first solution. Not "gun control". Not the decay of society, which cannot be reversed before it gets much worse.
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I made two points in the post you argued with. Let me rehash them for you:

In 2006 Japan had 2 gun homicides. You have not refuted this point.

Gun control laws can work. You have not refuted this.

Get back to me when you can refute anything I actually said. ANother hint for you: culture is irrelevant to what I said, since culture cannot account for the entirety of the differences between US and Japanese gun homicide rates.
 
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cpwill said:
Like this a thousand times.



We have 10% unemployment among our veterans.... and a whole bunch of schools who need trained responders who have a proven willingness to put themselves in danger for the sake of others. Sounds to me like we should let one problem solve another.
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Goodto know conservatives favor bigger government...
 
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danarhea said:
The NRA didn't know that Columbine already had armed guards on their campus, and Virginia Tech already had a police force on their campus? How did that work out?
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They were not armed at Va Tech. At Columbine, the armed guard was outside the building the entire time, and not where the perps entered.

Deputy Neil Gardner was a 15-year veteran of the Jefferson County, Colo., Sheriff’s Office assigned as the uniformed officer at Columbine. According to an account compiled by the police department, Gardner fired on Harris but was unsuccessful in stopping him:

Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.
After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. "Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me."
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He did at least get a shot off at Harris, but only after much damage had already been done.
 
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cpwill said:
Violence in the US is higher than other industrialized nations - and that rate does not change if you control for guns.
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The US has never implemented a countrywide restrictive gun control law of any significance. State and local restrictions are not a safe comparison since any one can simply drive a few miles and buy. There is also the problem of isolating for changes in gun laws. In other words, the claim you make is debatable.
 
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Redress said:
Goodto know conservatives favor bigger government...
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:) Not at all.

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We're rather fat on administrators right now; and they make pretty good pay. Simply turn some of those positions into First Responders, or hire veterans to fill those positions who have the ancillary duty of being a First Responder. You don't need active patrol in all schools (some you might); you simply need someone with the training and ability to put down a shooter before they kill too many.
 
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Redress said:
Homo sex is between consenting adults. Gun violence not so much;. Stupid comparisons are stupid.
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Caine said:
Homo Sex can be rape...... which is not consenting........

Shooting a semi auto rifle at targets is a hobby that one consents to.
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That'll shut-er up....
 
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Redress said:
I made two points in the post you argued with. Let me rehash them for you:

In 2006 Japan had 2 gun homicides. You have not refuted this point.
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That is not a point. It is a fact.

Gun control laws can work. You have not refuted this.
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That is a "point". Japan has a "no gun" policy, which is not analogous to the US consideration of "gun control". Our version of "gun control" cannot work based on any results from Japan. A point I already made. Which you chose to ignore. Further, Japan has enormously lower crime rates in every catagory compared to us, where they have as much opportunity as us to commit such. That also deflates your "gun control" argument, as their homicide by knife rate is far lower then ours, yet they have access to such (not swords).

Get back to me when you can refute anything I actually said. ANother hint for you: culture is irrelevant to what I said, since culture cannot account for the entirety of the differences between US and Japanese gun homicide rates.
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I can refute you well in my sleep. I do it with prejudice when I am awake :)
 
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