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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    All due respect, the position against which I argue is hardly imagined. Its the current liberal diatribe, as I have now indicated several times, So, for those of us who are confused by your post, just WTF is your position then ? All I see is a frivilous point, that matters not a twit, while the rest of us are trying to stay relevent with what is going on with the media, and the idiot libtards in D.C.
    Gun rights are not just a posiition that can be arrived at via a liberal ideology, it is more consistent on rights than conservative ideology, which is primarily only concerned with that one right. Further, the concept that the constitution has to be interpreted is a very consistent one, as opposed to those who bitch and moan about interpreting the constitution, but do so themselves. These are concrete ideas, and not bitching about what you image others think.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have not seen any anti gun nonsense out of redress. just because someone is "very liberal" doesn't mean they are hoplophobes.
    It is very possible to believe that gun rights have limits and that those limits are more restrictive than currently, and not be afraid of guns, just as it is very possible to be for gun rights and not be compensating for a small penis. If both sides stopped the emotional rhetoric, the topic would be a lot more interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is very possible to believe that gun rights have limits and that those limits are more restrictive than currently, and not be afraid of guns, just as it is very possible to be for gun rights and not be compensating for a small penis. If both sides stopped the emotional rhetoric, the topic would be a lot more interesting.
    that is true but I have seen NO rational anti gun positions. Its hard to argue that its proper for government entities to say (by issuing them) that some weapons are ideal for civilians to use in self defense in urban environments and then also claim that those weapons have absolutely no legitimate use by other civilians in the same environment

    its also hard to claim that the second amendment would not even protect civilian police style weapons for civilians. I don't need to get into discussions about individually operated but arguably not individually issued weapons such as stuff that is issued at squad or greater levels like MAW or a grenade launcher

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    NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Gun rights are not just a posiition that can be arrived at via a liberal ideology, it is more consistent on rights than conservative ideology, which is primarily only concerned with that one right.
    Da ****?

    You just spent time, rightfully, chiding him about broad stroke comments about liberal thought, and then come back with a sweeping comment about liberal ideology being more consistent than conservative ideology and broadly stating conservative ideology only cares about the 2nd amendment (if I'm reading that last part right). Seriously?

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is true but I have seen NO rational anti gun positions. Its hard to argue that its proper for government entities to say (by issuing them) that some weapons are ideal for civilians to use in self defense in urban environments and then also claim that those weapons have absolutely no legitimate use by other civilians in the same environment

    its also hard to claim that the second amendment would not even protect civilian police style weapons for civilians. I don't need to get into discussions about individually operated but arguably not individually issued weapons such as stuff that is issued at squad or greater levels like MAW or a grenade launcher
    The second amendment hurdle is the big one, but the effects of gun restrictions on a nationwide level is highly debated among those those who have studied it professionally, with the basic belief being that there simply is not enough accurate data to draw real conclusions from. We can see from looking at other countries that with enough restrictions, gun violence will be reduced, given enough time(see, Japan). Just because you do not like an argument does not mean it is not as defensible as your arguments.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Da ****?

    You just spent time, rightfully, chiding him about broad stroke comments about liberal thought, and then come back with a sweeping comment about liberal ideology being more consistent than conservative ideology and broadly stating conservative ideology only cares about the 2nd amendment (if I'm reading that last part right). Seriously?
    well Redress might have a point-some have noted that if Liberals interpreted the second amendment like they do say the right to counsel, the government would be giving everyone an M16 and all the ammo they wanted!

    Sanford Levinson (Yale Law Journal, perhaps 1999 DNR) noted in "THE EMBARRASSING SECOND AMENDMENT" that he, as a liberal law professor (Texas I believe) was amazed how the left was so expansive in its interpretations of other constitutional rights but was so narrow in viewing the second amendment

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    NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The second amendment hurdle is the big one, but the effects of gun restrictions on a nationwide level is highly debated among those those who have studied it professionally, with the basic belief being that there simply is not enough accurate data to draw real conclusions from. We can see from looking at other countries that with enough restrictions, gun violence will be reduced, given enough time(see, Japan). Just because you do not like an argument does not mean it is not as defensible as your arguments.
    Grants, one needs to take into account the realistic differences in terms on geographical realities when viewing some of those examples.

    For example, trying to ban guns from Hawaii would likely have a greater degree of success than doing the same in say, Maryland

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    Re: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Grants, one needs to take into account the realistic differences in terms on geographical realities when viewing some of those examples.

    For example, trying to ban guns from Hawaii would likely have a greater degree of success than doing the same in say, Maryland
    I do not see restrictions by individual states as being at all effective in doing much of anything simply do to the ease of moving around the country.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The second amendment hurdle is the big one, but the effects of gun restrictions on a nationwide level is highly debated among those those who have studied it professionally, with the basic belief being that there simply is not enough accurate data to draw real conclusions from. We can see from looking at other countries that with enough restrictions, gun violence will be reduced, given enough time(see, Japan). Just because you do not like an argument does not mean it is not as defensible as your arguments.
    If I told you that Japanese living in the USA have a lower rate of gun violence than those in Japan what would that mean to you? and BTW japan has never had a FOURTH amendment and for centuries, anyone but a member of the proper caste who had a sword was killed if caught

    the FIVE weapons of Okinawan martial arts were based on the fact that subjects of Japan could not own real weapons

    so the staff (Bo) the sickle (Kama) the tool used for weeding (the Sai) the rice grinder (tonfa) and the rice flail (Nunchaku) became weapons

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    Re: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not see restrictions by individual states as being at all effective in doing much of anything simply do to the ease of moving around the country.
    however, under the original view of the constitution, the federal government was not delegated any power to regulate small arms-that was left to THE STATES

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