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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well in the ten years the clinton gun ban was in place no one could find any positive benefits

    I guess its easy to dismiss or disparage rights you don't find valuable so you can pretend you are DOING SOMETHING even if there is absolutely no proof or empirical data backing you up
    That's because the gun makers purposely decided to create new weapons that circumvented the law - they weaseled it so that they could continue to sell weapons of mass killing. If they had honored the law and accepted it's intention rather than doing whatever they could to get around it the law would have been more effective. BTW - can you show me where that law did not prevent lives from being saved? I keep hearing this Fox News / NRA talking point but I can't recall seeing non-partisan data supporting it.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Yeah I saw that and I found the argument unconvincing. you merely stated that stuff that has no mention of small arms could be interpreted and expanded to allow regulation


    we could do the same for free speech, the practice of religion or what women wear in public


    (the general welfare would increase if women built like NFL linebackers didn't wear miniskirts and women with bad veins didn't wear clear hose or have bare legs!!)
    It matters not if you found the argument unconvincing. That was taken for a given going in as it has long age been established what you believed and what you did not believe in this area.

    That was not and is not the point. You asked for the language in the Constitution and I gave it to you. The fact is that those powers have been upheld by the proper authorities and you are well aware of it. So to pretend otherwise is simply living in a willful denial of reality or is engaged in the worst sort of fallacy.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    Show me regular instances where what you propose happened? It's an urban legend as far as I know. One instance is not enough - show me 20 times that it's happened - you know where multiple intruders with guns attacked someone in their home with the purpose of killing them and they were stopped by a homeowner with AR type weapons using 30 round clips?
    First of all I'm not wasting my time trying to dig up 20 links, it would take more time than I currently have. If you google it you can find a few right off the bat, but you missed the point entirely in that there are other guns that a nut could carry out a massacre just as easily with that are considered sporting versions that are just as deadly, so banning the AR or AK type guns would do nothing to stop mass killers. So knowing you Liberals the next step would be banning the multi-shot sporting versions as well. A guy like you would leave us defending our homes undergunned compared to the criminal (who wouldnt follow the law on what type of gun to use) or not armed at all.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    So knowing you Liberals the next step would be banning the multi-shot sporting versions as well. A guy like you would leave us defending our homes undergunned compared to the criminal (who wouldnt follow the law on what type of gun to use) or not armed at all.
    A guy like me? I find it interesting when someone presumes to know what "a guy like me" is thinking without my actually writing it.

    You keep missing my point - if you eliminate AR or AK type weapons and the larger magazines lives will be saved, period. Nowhere did I write anything about taking your other guns away. That's your business and it has zero effect on me. I don't know people who own guns - almost everyone I know has no desire whatsoever to own one. Maybe everyone you hang with loves and owns guns. We do live in a country where we have freedoms to choose what we want to do within the law, right?

    Why is it that so many posters on this site who are pro gun seem to use the slippery slope argument when there's no proof or really no chance what they fear will happen? It is a great way for the NRA to raise money, for the gun makers to sell guns and ammo so maybe this is all about money or more about making money that anything else?

    You know where I'm confused? So many posters here write about their need to protect themselves but in my 50+ years I do not know of anyone that I know personally who ever had to defend his home or his family in a way that a gun would have made a difference, no less a positive difference. In Wisconsin are there a lot of random attacks on people's homes where using a gun that can cause mass death is the solution and that without it society would collapse and more people would die? It's not like that in NYC - it's damn safe here and no one has guns....
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    What I enjoy is good discussions and intelligent debate. Saying Merry Christmas is not offensive. That's just you playing stereotypes because you can't think for yourself. What does offend me is calling liberals the teachers of mass killers. That is incredible ingorance. This could go on and on but I choose not to believe much when your record states that you not only Romney would win big but also that he'd take New York.

    And since I'm not getting good discussion from you nor intelligent debate... I guess it's off to the ignore list with you.
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    I can cite 10-20 more examples of progressive teachers bullying students. Then of course these are the same teachers that "oppose" bullying, however I suppose they only oppose bullying when they don't agree with the circumstances.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    A guy like me? I find it interesting when someone presumes to know what "a guy like me" is thinking without my actually writing it.

    You keep missing my point - if you eliminate AR or AK type weapons and the larger magazines lives will be saved, period. Nowhere did I write anything about taking your other guns away. That's your business and it has zero effect on me. I don't know people who own guns - almost everyone I know has no desire whatsoever to own one. Maybe everyone you hang with loves and owns guns. We do live in a country where we have freedoms to choose what we want to do within the law, right?

    Why is it that so many posters on this site who are pro gun seem to use the slippery slope argument when there's no proof or really no chance what they fear will happen? It is a great way for the NRA to raise money, for the gun makers to sell guns and ammo so maybe this is all about money or more about making money that anything else?

    You know where I'm confused? So many posters here write about their need to protect themselves but in my 50+ years I do not know of anyone that I know personally who ever had to defend his home or his family in a way that a gun would have made a difference, no less a positive difference. In Wisconsin are there a lot of random attacks on people's homes where using a gun that can cause mass death is the solution and that without it society would collapse and more people would die? It's not like that in NYC - it's damn safe here and no one has guns....
    No, lives won't be saved and clearly you have absolutely ZERO understanding of the Second Amendment and why the Amendment exists.

    I know what "liberals" think - they all think the same - every "liberal" is the same.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post

    I know what "liberals" think - they all think the same - every "liberal" is the same.
    Then why bother to be on Debate Politics and to read opposing posts since you already know it all? For those of you who want us to feel that the real reason for the 2nd Amendment is to arm citizens against the government that to me, is really fringe thinking. I would hate for my life to contain an irrational phobia where I think my government is a threat to me and that I might have to take up arms to defend myself.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

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    Hey genius
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    do you put signs on your door advertising your home is gun free?

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    Then why bother to be on Debate Politics and to read opposing posts since you already know it all? For those of you who want us to feel that the real reason for the 2nd Amendment is to arm citizens against the government that to me, is really fringe thinking. I would hate for my life to contain an irrational phobia where I think my government is a threat to me and that I might have to take up arms to defend myself.
    "Irrational phobia?"

    Learn some history bro..... It would be ignorant to assume the government wouldn't attempt an authoritarian regime at one point or another (we're getting pretty close now).

    There is nothing wrong with being vigilant - the founding fathers were - hence the Second Amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    "Irrational phobia?"

    Learn some history bro..... It would be ignorant to assume the government wouldn't attempt an authoritarian regime at one point or another (we're getting pretty close now).

    There is nothing wrong with being vigilant - the founding fathers were - hence the Second Amendment.
    I do not mean to imply that you have any sort of phobia - I have no idea and it is inappropriate for me to suggest that you do. When I read here how people are all hyped up about a government that doesn't resemble what we are today to the point that someone needs weapons to defend themselves it does seem impossible to me. At no time have I ever felt anything remotely resembling that type of fear. Even during 9/11 (I live in lower Manhattan) I never feared that there would be chaos that would result in my having to defend myself against our own government. Actually I felt that our government would protect us to the best of their abilities.
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