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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    This is why the NRA and fellow gun enthusiasts are not to be taken seriously. The main M.O. of these groups and individuals is take guns out of the discourse about violence and to insult people into staying silent or agreeing with them.
    Well said. And you do not have to look any further for definitive proof of that effort to intimidate than gun threads right here on this site. They are dominated by gun lobby apologists or supporters who can rally around each other in a gang mentality and discourage many from participating. That is obvious by reading them.

    This is a deliberate political tactic to allow them to have unfettered control of the message and to send the warning that if you stand against us we will come down on you like the proverbial ton of bricks. And even if you can hold your own or prove them wrong in the gun threads, they will find other ways to attack you. People get that message loud and clear and the stay away after experiencing such treatment and such tactics.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't accept nor care about your appeal to a mass of low information voters.

    if civilian police officers have certain weapons than the rest of us civilians ought to have them too since our right to use deadly force against criminals is the same as theirs

    and why don't you make an intelligent argument why lawyers, doctors, shopkeepers and factory workers' lives are less valuable than cops, revenue agents, poultry inspectors and fish and game wardens?

    and then tell me what the second amendment really means
    Your reply to my last post was similar to your previous replies. You're tone as I interpret it is angry and arrogant - almost like you're pointing a gun at me. Does pointing a weapon at someone make you feel powerful and more of a man?

    Your argument that police and civilians should have access to identical weaponry is incredible to me. No one, not the SCOTUS or anyone in a position to legislate would EVER legislate what you wrote. Your reply is EXTREME and FAR, FAR, FAR out in right field. It's really scary to think that you're so motivated by gun ownership and that you think you have the right to own any type of weapon that the police use.

    True colors are often expressed here when people write angry posts and you my friend have revealed who you are. I for one, find your post disturbing to the extreme.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Well said. And you do not have to look any further for definitive proof of that effort to intimidate than gun threads right here on this site. They are dominated by gun lobby apologists or supporters who can rally around each other in a gang mentality and discourage many from participating. That is obvious by reading them.

    This is a deliberate political tactic to allow them to have unfettered control of the message and to send the warning that if you stand against us we will come down on you like the proverbial ton of bricks. And even if you can hold your own or prove them wrong in the gun threads, they will find other ways to attack you. People get that message loud and clear and the stay away after experiencing such treatment and such tactics.
    Thank you for our post it is very insightful and I agree with you 100%. I wrote in a post in this thread that it's almost like the intense gun defenders are pointing a gun at you as they type - their posts mean to intimidate and to make you shut up - not to debate.

    You, or I or others can express a willingness to express an acceptance that Americans have a right to legally own and register guns - but for me that does not mean carte blanche or does it mean that I believe that certain guns and ammunition that are now legal should remain legal, i.e. AR 15 type weapons and magazine clips with more than 10 rounds.

    We all know that the shooter in Tucson was stopped trying to reload his weapon and had he not needed to reload even more people would have been killed or injured.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    Does pointing a weapon at someone make you feel powerful and more of a man?
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Police are civilians. Their ability to deploy deadly force against criminals in an urban environment is limited to situations where the police officer REASONABLE believes that unless he or she shoots, the criminal will seriously injure or kill the officer or another citizen

    OTHER CIVILIANS are in the same boat legally. WE can use deadly force only if we have a reasonable belief of imminent death or severe bodily harm. In some cases we have MORE leeway than a cop such as if someone comes into our house carrying an obvious weapon, we don't have a duty to challenge the criminal but can engage him first

    SO what do we know

    1) civilian police agencies have determined that the weapons gun haters call "assault weapons" are extremely suitable for self defense by civilians in an urban environment

    2) the rules for using such weapons against criminals are the same for cops and other civilians

    3) the cops are less likely to be attacked without forewarning than a homeowner or a shopkeeper

    4) the cops are more likely to have backup available or on its way


    so tell me why should LAW ABIDING citizens be unable to use the same CIVILIAN SELF DEFENSIVE weapons our tax dollars provide to cops

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post

    You, or I or others can express a willingness to express an acceptance that Americans have a right to legally own and register guns - but for me that does not mean carte blanche or does it mean that I believe that certain guns and ammunition that are now legal should remain legal, i.e. AR 15 type weapons and magazine clips with more than 10 rounds.
    Ahem, the 2nd has NOTHING to do with registration. It specifies the right to own and bear arms. It doesn't matter whether you accept it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Ahem, the 2nd has NOTHING to do with registration. It specifies the right to own and bear arms. It doesn't matter whether you accept it or not.
    the tenth amendment prohibits registration

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Ahem, the 2nd has NOTHING to do with registration. It specifies the right to own and bear arms. It doesn't matter whether you accept it or not.
    The SCOTUS has ruled that the government has a RIGHT to legislate gun ownership within certain parameters - that's what SCOTUS does they rule on laws to determine if they are constitutional and their rulings can change over time. My point is that the SCOTUS has ruled that gun registration IS constitutional and therefore not in violation of the 2nd amendment.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the tenth amendment prohibits registration
    Can you show one case that was ruled the way you suggest that is valid today and wiped out gun registration laws?
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    The SCOTUS has ruled that the government has a RIGHT to legislate gun ownership within certain parameters - that's what SCOTUS does they rule on laws to determine if they are constitutional and their rulings can change over time. My point is that the SCOTUS has ruled that gun registration IS constitutional and therefore not in violation of the 2nd amendment.
    was that what the ruling was or was that dicta? where did they rule that gun registration was legal on a federal scale?

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