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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    She didn't keep her guns locked and kept away from him, and that is the point. If she owns a gun, so should be responsible for securing it. To me that is common sense.

    As for the rest of your post, it doesn't matter if she was psychic or not or knew he was going to be a mass shooter or not. She should have kept her guns out of his reach. I cannot comprehend how somebody can determine their own child needs to be committed because they cannot take care of themselves and are anti social, could also believe that teaching him to use firearms is a good idea. I think she make a number of bad decisions.

    I am not attacking the weapons themselves, just arguing the mother could have done more to prevent his access to weapons. Why do you feel otherwise? Why do you think it was fine he had access to her weapons?
    Because until Adam Lanza snapped, there was nothing to suggest that he would do what he did. Shooter's mother wanted her son to fit in, friend says - CNN.com

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    And he wasn't a child; he was 20 years old.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Personally speaking, I respect guns. I only use them for protection, and I am not the type to obsessively worry the government is going to take them away nor do I rush out and stock up on ammo after every mass shooting. One gun is enough for me.

    I just don't relate to some people on this issue
    A healthy dose of fear for the ease in which a gun can damage or take life is the right kind of respect.

    I'm not worried about the gov over regulating guns because with over 300 million in circulation they'll never stop the ownership of them.
    And 99% of the population will realistically never discharge one in self defense in their lifetime. I remember when it was rare for a police officer to ever shoot anyone. I've seen News stories where there's an occasional incidence of a store owner saving their lives with a firearm against a perp or a home owner defending against an intruder.

    I'd own one pistola for any possible but highly unlikely rioting after a natural disaster or other bizarre occurrence, where I need serious firepower but otherwise I'll just pepper/mace and kneecap an aggressor. If they have a gun and mine isn't at hand or available I'm running like Carl Lewis racing the wind.

    Otherwise I don't relate to most people at all on this issue. If I had a gun collection, which are actually good investments right now and went to the range with other enthusiasts for recreational activity, then I could see the passion in defense of gun owner rights. Video games supply me with my dose of shoot'em up bang bang. And honestly I don't think most preppers really believe in a zombie apocalypse. It's a fantasy or game they use as an excuse to play soldier, which is reasonably harmless if their minds are stable.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

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    Because until Adam Lanza snapped, there was nothing to suggest that he would do what he did. Shooter's mother wanted her son to fit in, friend says - CNN.com
    So you don't think his mother should have kept his guns locked and away from Lanza... I think you're not promoting responsibility. I sure when he aimed her own gun at her face, she realized she should have done more to keep him from easily accessing her guns.

    And as far as the snapping argument goes, I don't think that that is supported or corroborated by anything. We don't know what kind of warning signs he displayed or not, nor for how long. We don't even know exactly why his mother wanted him committed, what kind of behavior he was displaying, or what her personal concerns were.. was she afraid of him? Why did she say he was getting harder and harder to reach? That is all up in air, and those answers are being investigated. But you continue that his mother was completely reasonable and responsible by not doing more to keep her firearms away from a person with an anti social personality disorder.

    You support irresponsible gun ownership, and I don't. That is when gun enthusiasts become part of the problem. Stop arguing in support of personal irresponsibility by gun owners.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    And he wasn't a child; he was 20 years old.
    He was his mother's child, and she made all the decisions for him... and cared for as if he were a minor because he wasn't capable of making his own decisions.

    He will always be the child of his mother, but he was not an minor.

    I know what you are saying, but the relationship was a mother-son one. I acknowledge he was not a minor though

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    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    A healthy dose of fear for the ease in which a gun can damage or take life is the right kind of respect.

    I'm not worried about the gov over regulating guns because with over 300 million in circulation they'll never stop the ownership of them.
    And 99% of the population will realistically never discharge one in self defense in their lifetime. I remember when it was rare for a police officer to ever shoot anyone. I've seen News stories where there's an occasional incidence of a store owner saving their lives with a firearm against a perp or a home owner defending against an intruder.

    I'd own one pistola for any possible but highly unlikely rioting after a natural disaster or other bizarre occurrence, where I need serious firepower but otherwise I'll just pepper/mace and kneecap an aggressor. If they have a gun and mine isn't at hand or available I'm running like Carl Lewis racing the wind.

    Otherwise I don't relate to most people at all on this issue. If I had a gun collection, which are actually good investments right now and went to the range with other enthusiasts for recreational activity, then I could see the passion in defense of gun owner rights. Video games supply me with my dose of shoot'em up bang bang. And honestly I don't think most preppers really believe in a zombie apocalypse. It's a fantasy or game they use as an excuse to play soldier, which is reasonably harmless if their minds are stable.
    Sounds like we see eye to eye. My dad was a member of the NRA, and he still owns a few firearms but he quit on the NRA. They kept calling him and talking about people trying to take his guns away and to give them money to defend his rights. My Dad finally got tired of it and constant hounding for contributions, plue he didn't buy into the fear mongering that his guns would be take away tomorrow. He hasn't supported or been a member of NRA for probably 10 years now, but he remains a gun owner.

    The NRA is a lobby group, and after seeing their reaction to this shooting, I support them even less.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    A. No body armor. thats a fallacy.

    B. It doesn't matter how many guns one has, their guns won't protect them from a well placed shot that they were not expecting.
    Okay I havent read that yet but stand corrected if it is true. However you would still be at a three to one disadvatnge with out the ability to spray. You might get some change with supression fire but then you will have to rince and repeat/ More guns would not have helped.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Sounds like we see eye to eye. My dad was a member of the NRA, and he still owns a few firearms but he quit on the NRA. They kept calling him and talking about people trying to take his guns away and to give them money to defend his rights. My Dad finally got tired of it and constant hounding for contributions, plue he didn't buy into the fear mongering that his guns would be take away tomorrow. He hasn't supported or been a member of NRA for probably 10 years now, but he remains a gun owner.

    The NRA is a lobby group, and after seeing their reaction to this shooting, I support them even less.

    Yeah, unfortunately each side of this issue ramps up the rhetoric with every incident, using it as a political ball to bat around with no sensible suggestions. The Veterans Association has become a lobby that harangues for donations after you give once also. I think people need to use their heads and not their hearts so much for reasonable actions and attitudes. And the Media needs to quit sensationalizing every serious event for sheer ratings. They try to shape and change public policy in a frenzy, which is the worst way and time to address anything.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Yeah, unfortunately each side of this issue ramps up the rhetoric with every incident, using it as a political ball to bat around with no sensible suggestions. The Veterans Association has become a lobby that harangues for donations after you give once also. I think people need to use their heads and not their hearts so much for reasonable actions and attitudes. And the Media needs to quit sensationalizing every serious event for sheer ratings. They try to shape and change public policy in a frenzy, which is the worst way and time to address anything.
    I hope people start seeing the NRA for what it is soon.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    So you don't think his mother should have kept his guns locked and away from Lanza... I think you're not promoting responsibility. I sure when he aimed her own gun at her face, she realized she should have done more to keep him from easily accessing her guns.

    And as far as the snapping argument goes, I don't think that that is supported or corroborated by anything. We don't know what kind of warning signs he displayed or not, nor for how long. We don't even know exactly why his mother wanted him committed, what kind of behavior he was displaying, or what her personal concerns were.. was she afraid of him? Why did she say he was getting harder and harder to reach? That is all up in air, and those answers are being investigated. But you continue that his mother was completely reasonable and responsible by not doing more to keep her firearms away from a person with an anti social personality disorder.

    You support irresponsible gun ownership, and I don't. That is when gun enthusiasts become part of the problem. Stop arguing in support of personal irresponsibility by gun owners.
    I am not arguing for personal irresponsibility. I can see that you didn't read the CNN article to which I linked you. In it, those who knew her said that she was very responsible.

    There is no indication that Nancy Lanza was irresponsible. There is also no evidence that she was even awake when shot; in fact, every report I've read suggests that she was likely asleep when murdered.

    You're practicing psychiatry without a license here, and you haven't really read up on this. Those with autism are frequently very difficult to "reach," and this does NOT translate to their distance being an indication that they have violent tendencies.

    Where have you read that Adam Lanza had an anti-social personality disorder? Where have you read that I promote irresponsible gun ownership? What evidence do you have to support your claims beyond "Hindsight is 20/20"?

    Produce evidence that Adam Lanza had violent tendencies and that somehow his mother should have known that he was going to do what he did.

    I will produce evidence now that suggests that there was NO CLUE:

    [Richard] Novia said he was surprised by the deadly rampage that left 20 children and seven adults, including Adam Lanza's mother, dead.

    "He had some social disorders, poor personal skills," Novia said. "We felt strongly he could develop. He was highly intelligent, but how do you inject him in the system and develop him socially?"

    Novia was not able to give specifics about the killer's specific condition, but said Adam Lanza did not have any violent tendencies.

    "In a security aspect, it wouldn't be what he would do," he said. "It was what they might do to him."

    Adam Lanza underwent psych evaluations in years past - WFSB 3 Connecticut



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