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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I guess that is what caused him to snap. too bad his mother didn't think about security for her weapons if she had someone who needed commitment around her.
    Sit in judgment when you have fully lived these particular particulars and have been a mother. Yeah, I've read the "prepper" angle too, but I've also read other info about the context of the target-practice-as-bonding-stuff. We're talking about a unique situation here. Too easy to categorize the mother and son and the psych dynamics into a convenient category when no size fits all.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Sit in judgment when you have fully lived these particular particulars and have been a mother. Yeah, I've read the "prepper" angle too, but I've also read other info about the context of the target-practice-as-bonding-stuff. We're talking about a unique situation here. Too easy to categorize the mother and son and the psych dynamics into a convenient category when no size fits all.
    no need to judge her-she made a mistake apparently and paid the price. banning her from having guns retroactively apparently is what the anti gun nuts are arguing

    not me

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    His mom was a dooms day prepper. Sometimes gun enthusiasts can be the problem. I used to talk to a girl that once put an automatic rifle her in baby's crib and took a picture, as if it were cute or something. There is a difference between respecting weapons and loving them.
    Yeah, I've read a few "prepper" pieces too. Don't reduce this to a prepper thing. Don't dismiss this as a gun-enthusiasts-are-the-problem-thing. This is a unique situation about which none of us is fully aware.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    So an average person with a pistol should be expected to take a heavily armed shooter covered in body armor like Holmes?
    Expected to? Meh, it's certainly possible. Even if they don't succeed in killing the shooter, they would certainly delay/distract them and thus save lives. Taking a round to body-armor isn't like the movies where you just grunt and move on - it still knocks you like getting punched by a sledgehammer.

    However, a trained individual responding to an active shooter, such as what the NRA (and we, here) suggests? Definitely.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    And the NRA should get backlash for only caring about the children in Connecticut, and not the children in Columbine or the in Aurora, CO, etc.

    wtf? Aurora had no-carry laws, I'm pretty sure if you were to ask the NRA if someone in the audience should have been allowed to shoot back they would answer you in the affirmative.

    This is reaching just to try to ascribe moral illegitimacy to those with whom you disagree.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Problem is these are the same computer games/movies countries like Japan, Germany, UK etc watch and you dont see much gun crime there. As for the whole armed guard in schools my question is where does it stop? If a gunman kills the guard and then shoots a load of kids what will be your response then? More guards? Barbed wire? Maybe a moat......
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no need to judge her-she made a mistake apparently and paid the price. banning her from having guns retroactively apparently is what the anti gun nuts are arguing

    not me
    Maybe you would have a point if it was ONLY that poor mother who "paid the price" of her carelessness. Unfortunatley that is not the case. I would support manslaughter charges for all parents whose children use their guns to kill themselves or others though. Maybe the threat of jail time would stop some of this.
    I can forgive her, it's the greedy smuck that sold that Bushmaster to her that I despise. They are not selling washing machines and marketing them like they are is unforgiveable. There is no need for her having a weapon that deadly and she should have been told so.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Problem is these are the same computer games/movies countries like Japan, Germany, UK etc watch and you dont see much gun crime there. As for the whole armed guard in schools my question is where does it stop? If a gunman kills the guard and then shoots a load of kids what will be your response then? More guards? Barbed wire? Maybe a moat......
    An armed guard could act as a deterrant. Let's not forget these shootings take place in gun free zones. If would be shooters knew they would draw fire during his attack, he might have second thoughts. Let's face it, the "gun free zone" signs aren't doing any good.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Actually, I spent 7 years in the Military, where we are trained to confront the bad guys, as that is expected. So we use guns to do that. Follow me so far ?

    Now, your argument seems to be that I will no longer ever confront bad guys again, so why be armed ? Heck, you haven't been so confronted in 40 years in NYC, so why worry, eh ?

    Are you going to now tell me, and others, that there have been no good folks killed by the guns of bad folks in NYC in your 40 years ? You wanna bet that the murder-by-gun rate in NYC is worse than in my Florida County ? Even though you have not been shot at, or in a situation where a handgun was used to take from you ?

    Sucks to be you. In more ways than you know.
    When I read someone personally attacking someone else while debating it shows me that the person attacking is losing the debate because one has to use insults rather than logic to debate. Saying "it sucks to be you" is insulting, pointless, petty, inaccurate and shows your debating skills.

    The state of Florida has a higher per capita murder rate than the state of NY. NY has much stricter gun control laws than Florida. My mother lives in Florida in Palm Beach and the murder rate there is higher than it is in NYC, palm trees notwithstanding.

    No one is saying you can't own guns - what people are saying is that AR 15 type guns have no place in a private citizen's arsenal nor do the high round clips they use. That's it. You can play with guns as much as your heart desires.

    When was the last time you used a gun to protect yourself? Why? (Do not include military examples).

    People do get killed in NYC by guns still - but at a much lower rate per capita than many other US cities. Why is that? For the most part NYC is a "gun free zone" and owning a gun is strictly regulated.

    Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It's been my experience that people who love guns actually respect them the most and preach safety. It's the people who get either unhealthily obsessed, act callously or use poor judgment that create most the problems. Some preppers who allow access to their arsenal by family members and friends that aren't mentally/emotionally capable of using common sense aren't practicing mature or responsible behavior. Mistakes of this caliber can cost lives and serious injury but it's part of life and growing.
    Personally speaking, I respect guns. I only use them for protection, and I am not the type to obsessively worry the government is going to take them away nor do I rush out and stock up on ammo after every mass shooting. One gun is enough for me.

    I just don't relate to some people on this issue

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