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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    And in Colorado Springs, that shooter still killed innocent people... again, it wasn't easy for the volunteer guard to get a head shot on him. He was down... IDK. The proof is that his own bullet killed him. Lanza's own bullet killed him, and he killed himself when he heard the first responders coming.
    And had he not been plugged a couple times by the armed woman, I suspect he would have killed more. The proof is that it was return fire which rendered him inoperable as a threat. So he then took himself out, as his day was done. Which is the point you continuously ignore in all scenarios.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Experts on TV said he was prepared to get into a showdown with officers, and that he was capable of doing it with the amount of weapons he had. He of course did not do it, and they continued to speculate why... why didn't he kill himself, etc.

    Why should I do your research for you? And why should I take your word that somebody could have easily killed him with a body shot?
    I eternally question these ‘experts on TV’, don’t you?

    As to MY research, I provided it. Now if you want to substantiate your position with YOUR research it would help lead credence in your views…but if you don’t I understand. Many are not firm enough in their opinions to support them but resort to ‘no, it’s not’ retorts…and of course the antithesis of your comment is just as poignant; why should I take your word that somebody could NOT have easily killed him with a body shot if they went armed AND the theatre was not a gun free zone?
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

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    And had he not been plugged a couple times by the armed woman, I suspect he would have killed more. The proof is that it was return fire which rendered him inoperable as a threat. So he then took himself out, as his day was done. Which is the point you continuously ignore in all scenarios.
    And he still killed innocent people, including children... So you're left with the argument that if it weren't for another gun, he could have killed more, therefore, more guns are the solution. We should be doing more to prevent mass shootings in the first place, not simply relying lets all shoot and kill a person for shooting and killing lots of other people. Innocent lives are still lost.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I eternally question these ‘experts on TV’, don’t you?

    As to MY research, I provided it. Now if you want to substantiate your position with YOUR research it would help lead credence in your views…but if you don’t I understand. Many are not firm enough in their opinions to support them but resort to ‘no, it’s not’ retorts…and of course the antithesis of your comment is just as poignant; why should I take your word that somebody could NOT have easily killed him with a body shot if they went armed AND the theatre was not a gun free zone?
    You're the one arguing that somebody could be killed with a bullet proof vest, are you not?

    I am not doing your research for you. If you want to make the claim, then you should support it.

    At least the experts on TV have credentials on the screen that I can see. I can't see your's or determine your level of knowledge.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    As it has been mentioned before, there was shooting at a church. Jeanne Assam or something like like shot the shooter several times. He ended up killing several people before she encountered him, and it ended up his own bullet took his life.
    Consider these ‘non-scientific’ statistics:

    With 15 incidents stopped by police with a total of 217 dead that’s an average of about 14.29. With 17 incidents stopped by civilians and 45 dead that’s an average of 2.33… Second, within the civilian category 11 of the 17 shootings were stopped by unarmed civilians… If you compare the average of people killed in shootings stopped by armed civilians and unarmed civilians you get 1.8 and 2.6 but that’s not nearly as significant as the difference between a proactive civilian, and a cowering civilian who waits for police.
    Which begs the question ‘wouldn’t you want those heroic individuals who risk their lives to save others to have every tool available at their disposal?’

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Consider these ‘non-scientific’ statistics:



    Which begs the question ‘wouldn’t you want those heroic individuals who risk their lives to save others to have every tool available at their disposal?’

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    Again, I am not against guns. I am not against owning guns for self protection, but that isn't the only reason people own them. They own them for sport and hunting as well.

    But to think arming more people and standing behind the NRA's response to this issue, is just absurd IMO. If it's ludicrous to blame guns, it is far more ignorant to blame video games and TV for killing people. Guns are not going to stop mass shootings, and again, the NRA is only proposing something to help children stay safe... not society as a whole.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    You're the one arguing that somebody could be killed with a bullet proof vest, are you not?
    Yes I am but moved our discussion specifically to Holmes as I was following your lead and thought you wanted to discuss it. It appears you also agree to their lack of protection:
    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Of course I know bullet proof vests are not that powerful…
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    I am not doing your research for you. If you want to make the claim, then you should support it.
    But I provided links to support my suspicion that Holmes was NOT wearing a bullet proof vest (as you asserted). Now please provide YOUR research contrary to this…thx
    At least the experts on TV have credentials on the screen that I can see. I can't see your's or determine your level of knowledge.
    It appears we have a conundrum as I can’t see yours either…
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    Thank you for the Civics lesson but your logic confirmed what I wrote. You're saying that your 2nd Amendment rights allow you to own an AR 15, which for now is true. But your also saying that you can also own larger weapons if that's what's needed to defend yourself? What sport is there, exactly, please, in an AR 15 or other guns that are similar? Target shooting with semi automatic? It's like looking at the answers to a crossword puzzle as you're doing it....
    We don't have the Second Amendment isn't so we can shoot at deer or paper. It's so we can shoot at government if it ever becomes necessary to do so. The Revolutionary War got started when the British tried to seize locally owned cannon.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Again, I am not against guns. I am not against owning guns for self protection, but that isn't the only reason people own them. They own them for sport and hunting as well.

    But to think arming more people and standing behind the NRA's response to this issue, is just absurd IMO. If it's ludicrous to blame guns, it is far more ignorant to blame video games and TV for killing people. Guns are not going to stop mass shootings, and again, the NRA is only proposing something to help children stay safe... not society as a whole.
    I'm no fan of the NRA... but in their defense, the "solutions" they provided were in response to a bunch of innocent kids getting gunned down in cold blood... it was a very specific event they were responding to.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I'm no fan of the NRA... but in their defense, the "solutions" they provided were in response to a bunch of innocent kids getting gunned down in cold blood... it was a very specific event they were responding to.
    And the NRA should get backlash for only caring about the children in Connecticut, and not the children in Columbine or the in Aurora, CO, etc. The survivors and victims of Holmes and all other mass shooters have every right to be offended by the NRA only stepping up to care for the lives of those certain children.

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