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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
    I agree. Another citizen telling you its a or it is not a need is ludicrous. that being said there has to be a limit at some point. Do you need a shoulder fired air to air missile? A tank? Bazooka? etc.etc.

    Where is that line? Myself I think that AR-15 is on the permissible side.
    These are already HEAVILY regulated if not banned outright for the public...specific to the ammo. Anyone can own a tank, rocket launcher, bazooka tube just generally not the ammo.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    when faced with a predator armed with an AR... who do you think will fare better... an unarmed person, or a person armed with a handgun?
    Niether both will be in a bad spot! Odds are both would be dead! The reason is and I am going by the newton shooting. This case to get a head shot off with one person has a 30 round clip to a ten round that a three to one advantage. Add in the body armor The odds are not in favor of the glock. Honestly, bith would be dead the only differance is one person had a gun and the other didnt. Plus add in confusion from a rapid fire weapon really I do not see a big advantage in having a gun or not. I am sure the keyboard commando's and DP snipers here will disagree but oh well

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Want to explain why??

    Even the terrorist that shot a bunch of people to death on a military base, was not shot down. And was a on a ****ing military base. Why didn't any soldiers have the capacity to kill him? Was nobody there armed? That's definitely not a gun free zone.... lol
    Allright Tara Anne. This thread is about protecting our kids in the classroom. Such as from what happened in Newtown, CN, two Fridays ago.

    Am I getting too complicated ?

    And if is about defending yourself from someone who may confrint the group you are in tomorrow, they with an AR-15 and you with ............... what ?

    Your choices are a) nothing; or b) a loaded Glock 9mm

    Choose wisely ....

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Deuce thinks the NRA and society should only protect children from mass shooters, but adults should have to do it for themselves.
    Unclear…please explain.
    I am just wondering how he expected armed adults to take down a heavily armored James Holmes. What kind of guns should we have have to keep on our person's to kill the next James Holmes? And then course, you have teens and kids getting shot in shopping malls and cinemas, and Holmes killed children too. I guess when school is out, us adults have to guard the kids as well as ourselves.
    “heavily armored’? Presumably you think bullets just bounce off bullet-proof vests. They don’t. There is still enough energy to ‘stagger’ an assailant to the point that one could gain an advantage… at close range a head shot is not terribly difficult which you would agree would terminate the aggressor…yes? As to ‘adults have to guard the kids’, of course we do as adults always have…?
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    Really? So if you wanted a bigger weapon of mass destruction that's OK in your world too? Afterall you have the right to protect yourself and if a rocket launcher is needed you should have the right to own it too, right?

    Do you have some type of incredible fear that you're being threatened all the time and that only if you carry gun(s) you will be safe?

    I don't get how so many people in this community are so afraid of being threatened? I can't relate to your fears....sorry.
    I'm perfectly fine with bigger "WMDs"... but not "rocket launchers " ( at least take some time to learn proper nomenclature, FFS)... for reasons you probably would not understand.

    for instance, my AR is the lightweight in my rifle collection.. it's the baby.
    .....the Daddy is my SA 110BA.
    If I thought to myself ... "man, I need to grab the most powerful weapon I have".. there are 17 rifles I would grab before the AR ( I own 18 rifles)
    hell, my old ass Win 1894 30/30 that hangs over my fireplace would be grabbed long before that little ol' AR

    y'all need to stop pretending the AR's are these monstrously powerful weapons... they aren't
    scaring you people does not mean it's ultrapowerful.. it just means you scare easily.


    let me ask you a simple question.... if police officers did not exist... would you then accept responsibility for your own protection?


    bah, nevermind ... it's a trick question.... we all know that at the very instant you need a police officer to protect you, they do not exist.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Allright Tara Anne. This thread is about protecting our kids in the classroom. Such as from what happened in Newtown, CN, two Fridays ago.

    Am I getting too complicated ?

    And if is about defending yourself from someone who may confrint the group you are in tomorrow, they with an AR-15 and you with ............... what ?

    Your choices are a) nothing; or b) a loaded Glock 9mm

    Choose wisely ....
    Why are those my only choices?

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Deuce thinks the NRA and society should only protect children from mass shooters, but adults should have to do it for themselves.

    I am just wondering how he expected armed adults to take down a heavily armored James Holmes. What kind of guns should we have have to keep on our person's to kill the next James Holmes? And then course, you have teens and kids getting shot in shopping malls and cinemas, and Holmes killed children too. I guess when school is out, us adults have to guard the kids as well as ourselves.
    Do not try to speak for me. You are not remotely bright enough.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    These are already HEAVILY regulated if not banned outright for the public...specific to the ammo. Anyone can own a tank, rocket launcher, bazooka tube just generally not the ammo.
    my point was where is the line? Do you have a line in mind? Is there a line for you?
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Why are those my only choices?
    You are welcome to suggest reasonable others. The only requirement is that you must rely upon yourself. Cause it is all you can take for granted when the **** hits that fan right in front of you.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Unclear…please explain.

    “heavily armored’? Presumably you think bullets just bounce off bullet-proof vests. They don’t. There is still enough energy to ‘stagger’ an assailant to the point that one could gain an advantage… at close range a head shot is not terribly difficult which you would agree would terminate the aggressor…yes? As to ‘adults have to guard the kids’, of course we do as adults always have…?
    Of course I know bullet proof vests are not that powerful, but I think you guys are overestimating what somebody like Holmes could have done... even if people were armed, and if he didn't tell authorities about his rigged apartment.

    As it has been mentioned before, there was shooting at a church. Jeanne Assam or something like like shot the shooter several times. He ended up killing several people before she encountered him, and it ended up his own bullet took his life.

    At close range a head shot isn't terribly difficult... try getting close to James Holmes and shooting him in the head. His head was protected as well.

    No, it's not as simple as you make it sound.

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