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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    I support owning guns and the second amendment, but I don't support the NRA any longer.


    We just can't arm people and have armed guards everywhere. They finally responded because this mass shooting was so tragic and disturbing. They propose protecting babies, but offered nothing to protect people in malls, universities, high schools, movie cinemas, post offices, or any of the other places we have seen mass shootings.

    Making every single place a gun zone doesn't seem feasible to me.


    And especially when you have people like Lanza and Holmes, wearing body armor from head to toe.. it's going to take a lot more than a few shots to stop them. How many armed guards would it take to kill somebody armed to the teeth like Holmes and wearing armor from head to toe?


    The shooting was disgusting. The NRA should take this more seriously, and not just consider it a elementary school type of concern.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I support owning guns and the second amendment, but I don't support the NRA any longer.


    We just can't arm people and have armed guards everywhere. They finally responded because this mass shooting was so tragic and disturbing. They propose protecting babies, but offered nothing to protect people in malls, universities, high schools, movie cinemas, post offices, or any of the other places we have seen mass shootings.

    Making every single place a gun zone doesn't seem feasible to me.


    And especially when you have people like Lanza and Holmes, wearing body armor from head to toe.. it's going to take a lot more than a few shots to stop them. How many armed guards would it take to kill somebody armed to the teeth like Holmes and wearing armor from head to toe?


    The shooting was disgusting. The NRA should take this more seriously, and not just consider it a elementary school type of concern.
    Some people seem to thing a hand gun will get the job done! Insert rolleyes

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I support owning guns and the second amendment, but I don't support the NRA any longer.


    We just can't arm people and have armed guards everywhere. They finally responded because this mass shooting was so tragic and disturbing. They propose protecting babies, but offered nothing to protect people in malls, universities, high schools, movie cinemas, post offices, or any of the other places we have seen mass shootings.

    Making every single place a gun zone doesn't seem feasible to me.


    And especially when you have people like Lanza and Holmes, wearing body armor from head to toe.. it's going to take a lot more than a few shots to stop them. How many armed guards would it take to kill somebody armed to the teeth like Holmes and wearing armor from head to toe?


    The shooting was disgusting. The NRA should take this more seriously, and not just consider it a elementary school type of concern.
    You do not undeerstand "body armor". Lanza was not wearing such, btw.

    Without the secret service presence for the Obama kids, the Quaker School in D.C. where bigshots send their kids still has a security staff of 11. Some of them armed.

    Now you try to figure out why. Hint "They know what the bad guys will come with"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    You, on the other hand and all other civilians DO NOT NEED AR 15 type weapons to protect us. You might be very capable and well trained but you're not a professional who earns his living protecting people. You can use all the other fun guns you have in your personal stash to protect yourself.
    An AR15 is not even an assault rifle, and it doesn't matter if I "need" one or not. Just the fact that I want one, and am willing to buy it, will suffice as all the justification I (or anyone else) need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    Some people seem to thing a hand gun will get the job done! Insert rolleyes
    Depending on what the job is, a handgun will get it done, depending on distance and numbers. That really doesn't matter though, when the discussion of gun ownership comes up. We don't have a 2nd amendment dependent on need, but dependent on the right to own and bear.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Depending on what the job is, a handgun will get it done, depending on distance and numbers. That really doesn't matter though, when the discussion of gown ownership comes up. We don't have a 2nd amendment dependent on need, but dependent on the right to own and bear.
    In this case a handgun would have done nothing he was armed to the teeth and body armor. Sorry those that think a hand gun would have helped are flat wrong. I do see your point but in this case it a no go!

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    You do not undeerstand "body armor". Lanza was not wearing such, btw.

    Without the secret service presence for the Obama kids, the Quaker School in D.C. where bigshots send their kids still has a security staff of 11. Some of them armed.

    Now you try to figure out why. Hint "They know what the bad guys will come with"
    So what, you think we should have 11 armed guards at every school, university, shopping mall, movie cinema, post office, etc? Eventually well need those armed guards patrolling the streets then. I don't get how this is a solution.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    The NRA sounds like they condemn designated gun free zones. Should we all be allowed to pack heat in airports and now, and hire armed guards there as well.... libraries, congress, state capitals, government offices, etc.?

    Is more guns and armed guards a universal solution?

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    In this case a handgun would have done nothing he was armed to the teeth and body armor. Sorry those that think a hand gun would have helped are flat wrong. I do see your point but in this case it a no go!
    It's like the woman guard, she was armed and at a church... a gun man walked in and started firing. She hit him more than once, but a shot from his own gun to his head is what ended his life. And if I recall, he managed to kill some people in the process.

    When people are wearing any armor, hitting them just right is important. Lanza was wearing a bullet proof vest from my understanding, and so was the VTech shooter. Holmes was better armed.

    And when mass shooters use guns is capable of mowing people down, while the guards duck and try to get a clean shot, it would seem like the body count would be in the bad guys favor.

    I don't see how the NRA's, more guns argument, is the best or only solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I see your logic as a bit moronic as well. The issue is not "100 round drums" btw, as only a fool uses such, as they are highly unreliable.

    For you to suggest that any of us need be limited to lesser weapons, such as a handgun, when many of the bad guys have better weapons, often illegally obtained, is absurd.

    Of course, you can make yourself a sitting-duck if you want to.
    You know I've lived in Manhattan more than 40 of my 50 or so years and not one time have I ever found myself in a position to need the use of a gun no less an AR 15 type weapon. You know, big bad NYC with all that "violence"? When in your life had you ever had the need to use a semi-automatic rifle? Do you live somewhere in America that civilians are not safe unless they carry AR type guns? It must suck to live in that sort of place.
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