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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I would correct that to "can work" in some places, and they do have a cost in terms of limiting freedoms.
    I am a big backer when it comes to personal rights and freedoms, but could sleep at night knowing that a law banning things like assault rifles is in place.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post
    Indeed...especially in Chicago.
    That example is rather weak. If Chicago weren't an island of this law surrounded by the everything feeding into it opposing the law... I'll just say, a city can't do it alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I am a big backer when it comes to personal rights and freedoms, but could sleep at night knowing that a law banning things like assault rifles is in place.
    Oh god, now you did it! Now every gun nut is going to swarm and point out, correctly, that by definition assault rifles are illegal in the US.

    Personally, I do not think more restrictive gun laws are needed in the US. Schools really are pretty safe, and I think that freedoms come with certain costs inherent.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Look, it's the semi-automatic, automatic weapons in the hands of psychos and children who are psychos from parents teaching them that are the problem. We need MORE regulations on who gets to buy a gun. The gun lobby wants you to look away from their sales and at video game sales.
    Nonsense. Its any gun in the hands of the nutjobs, and then their ability to find soft targets. Who was the last nutjob with a fully automatic weapon, btw ?

    We had guns galore 40-50 years ago, and did not have these types of crimes in even remote frequency to now. It is the decay of society, the "anything goes" theme of modern liberalism, and such as the internet which provides peer-group participation for the nut jobs, that is the difference from then to now.

    But liberals blame this new invention we call "guns".

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Canada's divorce rate is just about half what ours is in the United States. Don't just say other countries have all those things. How many of their children are on Prozac and other mind-altering drugs? How many single-parent households do they have? Do their cable channels have the kinds of horrific vio-porn we have here in the U.S.? I don't know. Do you? Criminal Minds (a network show) regularly has shows depicting serial killers as if they are everywhere. Canada? I don't know. Do you?
    Jesus Maggie. That's what you're coming up with? Really?

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Nonsense. Its any gun in the hands of the nutjobs, and then their ability to find soft targets.
    How many of the 62 mass shootings in the last 30 years were carried out in gun free zones?
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Just like our drug laws have made it difficult for the bad guys to get drugs?
    So, legalize drugs, is what you're saying?

    Or are you saying that because bad people will get guns, we shouldn't try to stop bad people from getting guns?
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Nonsense. Its any gun in the hands of the nutjobs, and then their ability to find soft targets.
    It's pussies who would never even tried to pull it off if they had to do it without a gun.

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    Who was the last nutjob with a fully automatic weapon, btw ?
    Well the issue lately has been high capicity clips... I think that would be pretty much all of the latest ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce
    We had guns galore 40-50 years ago, and did not have these types of crimes in even remote frequency to now. It is the decay of society, the "anything goes" theme of modern liberalism, and such as the internet which provides peer-group participation for the nut jobs, that is the difference from then to now.

    But liberals blame this new invention we call "guns".
    Society isn't in decay. Things weren't better when you were a child.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    That example is rather weak. If Chicago weren't an island of this law surrounded by the everything feeding into it opposing the law... I'll just say, a city can't do it alone.
    This discussion suggests the opposite of your conclusion that guns tend to migrate from easy to get to high crime locations.

    MAIG certainly wouldn't want to use crime statistics to make its case. Maryland's murder rate is third highest among the states﷓75 percent higher than Virginia's, 47 percent higher than Pennsylvania's, 46 percent higher than North Carolina's and 67 percent higher than West Virginia's. No rational person is going to believe that "weak" gun laws in those other states cause Maryland's crime problem, when they don't cause the same or worse within their own borders.

    As it turns out, there is no correlation between a state's crime rate and whether it has any of the 10 state﷓level gun laws the group advocates. In fact, murder rates average 70 percent higher in major U.S. cities where seven or more of the 10 MAIG﷓supported laws apply, than in cities where none of those laws are in force. And while BATFE considers firearm trafficking most likely to be indicated when a gun ends up in a criminal's hands within two years of its original sale, firearms traced by BATFE are 11 years old, on average.

    Only briefly noted by MAIG is that most traced guns (70 percent nationally) were originally sold in the same state where they're eventually traced, and that those originally sold in other states generally come from neighboring states, regardless of their laws. (For example, restrictive California is the largest source of guns traced to out﷓of﷓state sources by agencies in Oregon, Nevada and Arizona.) Finally, guns sold in the 10 states that MAIG says are most responsible for interstate gun trafficking, are actually only one﷓third as likely to end up being traced from other states.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Man did go beserk at Fort Hood.
    You ARE aware that soldiers don't have free access to their weapons outside of when they are going to the field right?
    You ARE aware that soldiers on a military installation aren't given access to ammunition until they are to use it during a training exercise right?
    You ARE aware that the training areas are not right in the middle of the "garrison" portion of the base right?
    The fact that a shooting happened at Fort Hood doesn't have the meaning you think it does.
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