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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's a gun show loophole on age restrictions? I don't think there is...is there?
    of course not-by now you know that the anti gun advocates are complete and total liars

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's a gun show loophole on age restrictions? I don't think there is...is there?
    It is the same loophole as making sure the purchaser isn't a felon. There is no proof the seller checked anything about the purchaser. A form where the seller at least records the basic information to show at least some checking was done.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    It is the same loophole as making sure the purchaser isn't a felon. There is no proof the seller checked anything about the purchaser. A form where the seller at least records the basic information to show at least some checking was done.
    Until 1993 no one conducted a background check

    when it was discussed, congress refused to extend the new background requirements to private sellers

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Until 1993 no one conducted a background check

    when it was discussed, congress refused to extend the new background requirements to private sellers
    Which is how many gun show dealers skirt the backround check law. They call their sale a private one and don't need to do any paperwork. I remember how nervous a 'private' seller got when I asked for a bill of sale. proof of sale seemed to be the bane of his business where everyplace else I have done business and the other gunshow booths gladly gave receipts for non firearm purchases.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Which is how many gun show dealers skirt the backround check law. They call their sale a private one and don't need to do any paperwork. I remember how nervous a 'private' seller got when I asked for a bill of sale. proof of sale seemed to be the bane of his business where everyplace else I have done business and the other gunshow booths gladly gave receipts for non firearm purchases.

    You are absolutely right-some dealers do that. and they get prosecuted for that. seen it dozens of times. and here is another way to get busted

    you set up at a gun show and claim you are selling your own collection

    billy comes by with a nice colt and you say how much-and he says 500 and you say deal and pay him

    you then put that pistol on your table


    SAC Pete T of the ATF comes up and says how much for the colt and you say 600

    guess what you just got nailed for being a dealer.

    and I have seen 5 people get nailed for that. now the shows I attend now require anyone renting a table at the show conduct background checks. meaning private sellers have to pay a dealer to do it which means you don't see any more private sellers renting tables. They carry around a couple guns with signs saying FOR SALE. they don't do it in the parking lot with much regularity because the security prevents that

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You are absolutely right-some dealers do that. and they get prosecuted for that. seen it dozens of times. and here is another way to get busted

    you set up at a gun show and claim you are selling your own collection

    billy comes by with a nice colt and you say how much-and he says 500 and you say deal and pay him

    you then put that pistol on your table


    SAC Pete T of the ATF comes up and says how much for the colt and you say 600

    guess what you just got nailed for being a dealer.

    and I have seen 5 people get nailed for that. now the shows I attend now require anyone renting a table at the show conduct background checks. meaning private sellers have to pay a dealer to do it which means you don't see any more private sellers renting tables. They carry around a couple guns with signs saying FOR SALE. they don't do it in the parking lot with much regularity because the security prevents that
    That does require an ATF agent being at the gunshow, good job if they do hit shows that often and can prove bad purchases and arrest those who doing them!

    Requiring backround checks is what many people want as law not just some shows agreeing to do so. Closing the loophole is a correct step.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    It is the same loophole as making sure the purchaser isn't a felon. There is no proof the seller checked anything about the purchaser. A form where the seller at least records the basic information to show at least some checking was done.
    How so? The seller sold the guns to a person of legal age. How is that a "loophole"?

    The seller isn't responsible for what the buyer does with the guns post purchase.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a throwaway bit of psychobabble

    why is it that the only people making posts like yours are "very liberal" progressive socialist or clearly loony left?

    Its because you think pushing gun bans will punish people who oppose your politics and your agenda
    Yes you called me a socialist Turtle among other things so stop lying!

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    Yes you called me a socialist Turtle among other things so stop lying!
    It's kinda hard to bitch about it after you called us, "teabaggers".
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Until 1993 no one conducted a background check

    when it was discussed, congress refused to extend the new background requirements to private sellers

    I don't think the private sellers are going to be so lucky this time:

    Private Gun Sale Loophole Creates Invisible Firearms Market, Prompts Calls For Reform

    "More than three-quarters of states have no laws requiring background checks or documentation during private party sales, increasing the risk of weapons falling into the hands of convicted felons, juveniles or those who are mentally ill. As lawmakers in Washington examine gun control measures in the wake of last week's school massacre in Connecticut, many advocates and researchers are pushing to extend federal regulations requiring background checks and registrations to private gun sales.
    "Fixing this would be one of the single most important things we could do to address overall gun violence," said David Kennedy, director of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. "A lot of people don't understand that this is the way the world works. It means that people who everybody agrees shouldn't get guns have little trouble getting guns."
    Private Gun Sale Loophole Creates Invisible Firearms Market, Prompts Calls For Reform
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