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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I actually don't care much that they obtained their guns through a Denver gun show. I think gun shows need to be regulated. These gun sellers are in business to sell guns. The fact that they don't have brick-and-mortar stores is immaterial. They should be treated absolutely no differently than the gun shop on the corner. I think it's a disgrace, actually.
    We agree. I am not against gun shows; just against the loophole that allows people to buy guns there without submitting to background checks. My point was that the Columbine kids used the gun show loophole as an easy method to obtain guns. They would have had a much harder time had background checks been required.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No evidence? Now, you can say that you are too lazy to find the evidence. You can say that you read all the evidence but do not find it compelling. You can say you read the evidence but find faults as follows (inserting, of course, your relevant cites). You can say that you have read the evidence but just want to continue to believe what you believe. You can not, however, say with a straight face and intellectual integrity, that no such evidence exists, because it does.

    Gun control: The gun control that works: no guns | The Economist
    Is Gun Control Likely To Reduce Violent Killings?
    http://andrewleigh.org/pdf/GunBuyback_Panel.pdf
    ...and other evidence to refute the notion that "there is no evidence":

    http://web.archive.org/web/200801071..._OWNERSHIP.pdf

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research...ath/index.html
    http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi...PH.2008.143099
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Can they purchase any other gun without a permit? Can they purchase AK47's without permits? (IOW, you said they needed a permit for handguns...for all of them?) In what state are they required to possess a permit? I don't know the answers. I'd really like to know because I thought anyone could go to a gun show and buy a gun.
    in North Carolina in order to purchase a handgun, you have to get a handgun purchase permit from the local sheriff.

    For purchase of long guns, you have to have background check done by the seller of the firearm, which can be done same day.


    Regardless..... ALL FFL dealers have to do a background check to sell a firearm.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    We agree. I am not against gun shows; just against the loophole that allows people to buy guns there without submitting to background checks. My point was that the Columbine kids used the gun show loophole as an easy method to obtain guns. They would have had a much harder time had background checks been required.
    What loophole is that?

    Never seen it, never heard of it.

    Have you ever been to a gun show?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Can they purchase any other gun without a permit? Can they purchase AK47's without permits? (IOW, you said they needed a permit for handguns...for all of them?) In what state are they required to possess a permit? I don't know the answers. I'd really like to know because I thought anyone could go to a gun show and buy a gun.
    the laws pertaining to guns shows are the exact laws that pertain to any and all firearms purchases outside of gun shows... which vary from state to state.


    for instance, here in Texas, I don't need to even have a background check to purchase any non-NFA firearm at a gunshow.... or a gun store... or a parking lot ( CCW holders are exempt)
    in 3 states, all purchases of firearms, by anyone, are required to have a background check.

    were I not a CCW holder, I would be required to run a background check on applicable weapons purchases ( as defined by federal law)

    there are no "permits" here besides a CCW.. there is no state registration of firearms either.
    your purchase, however, will be declined by everybody, private or commercial dealers, if you do not posses a Texas license....on scene law enforcement enforce this vigorously.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    We agree. I am not against gun shows; just against the loophole that allows people to buy guns there without submitting to background checks. My point was that the Columbine kids used the gun show loophole as an easy method to obtain guns. They would have had a much harder time had background checks been required.
    they would have a much harder time purchasing at a gunshow... but not a much harder time purchasing the weapons.

    private sales happen far more outside of gunshows than in them....

    I will say this though... the law concerning dealers who are required to run backgrounds checks needs to be tweaked.. the" occasional sales" exemption is pretty silly and need ot be better defined, as it allows folks who are in the commercial business of selling firearms to pretend they are not.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    Turtle,

    Since this did not happen and is nothing more than a start to a great fiction novel on your part. Lets state the facts. One her sonTwe had a full time special needs counciler in high school. Two his own brother has been qouted a number of time that his brother had mental disabilities. So for a gun owner to even have weapons in the house with some one that has a history of mental problems is not a responcible gun owner.

    You have got to be kidding golf clubs to hunting lol. Let me know next time when someone goes hunting or on a killing spree with a 7 iron. I have every much right as you do to tel others about self defence. Thats why! there are no need for 100 round magizines let alone 30, one could make the case for as little as 8. The ar-15 was never design as a hunting rifle niether was a glock. Your delusions on this subject are quite disturbing at best and are nonsence. So you need a 30 round mag for exactly what? Hunting, this self defence you keep going back to? Exactly what is the point. Police are the only ones that need these weapons and the military period. The idea that you need a 30 round clip silly.

    The point of the discussion about the NRA responce. The responce was made by an idioit that runs an organization who's sole excistance is to scare people into buying more guns period end of file. They did not start out that way, plus I think we are all going to see a change in the NRA really soon. More level headed members are going to start stepping forward and taking control back from the wingnuts in charge now. The speech that man gave was silly and a waste of time, had he any logical points he would have allowed questions. However, we all got a good look at the irrational behavior of the NRA leadership. thewhole point to the speech was blame everything else. Which has typically been the responce by conservatives for the last six years.

    why do you people always bring up hunting-that has no more relevance than golf clubs. YOu are IN NO POSITION to tell others what they need for self defense. 100 round MAGAZINES tend to jam and the rifle in question was not designed (magazine release catch for example) to accept the Beta Mag. but it was designed to function with its STANDARD CAPACITY magazine which is was 30 rounds and that is what most police departments issue to their CIVILIAN employees for SELF DEFENSE against CRIMINALS in a CIVILIAN URBAN environment. Which means such rifles with 30 round magazines are just as useful for people such as me
    people who have continually demonstrated they have no clue about firearms are in no position to tell experts what we need.

    Learn how to use the quote function as well. Your post is confused and silly due to your inability to do so

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    they would have a much harder time purchasing at a gunshow... but not a much harder time purchasing the weapons.

    private sales happen far more outside of gunshows than in them....

    I will say this though... the law concerning dealers who are required to run backgrounds checks needs to be tweaked.. the" occasional sales" exemption is pretty silly and need ot be better defined, as it allows folks who are in the commercial business of selling firearms to pretend they are not.

    agreed, I have always noted that there are people who should have licenses that do not. and the one point I admitted that the anti gun advocates have is that the gun show makes it convenient for prohibited persons to find a greater selection of private sellers. Of course I also noted that if you are a local convict, you also run a far greater chance of being spotted by a cop who knows your record at a gun show as well

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    We agree. I am not against gun shows; just against the loophole that allows people to buy guns there without submitting to background checks. My point was that the Columbine kids used the gun show loophole as an easy method to obtain guns. They would have had a much harder time had background checks been required.
    I believe they got their main weapon from the illegal practice known as a straw purchase from another individual which is not stopped by a background check

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No. A point you have not been able to back up.

    Further, Japan is not "gun control". It is essentially "no guns".

    A better analogy would be Switzerland, with about half the guns-per-capita as the US. Considering we have many folks with dozens of guns, I would suspect that their armed households per capita is even closer to ours.

    And their gun-crime rate is miniscule. It ain't the guns that need control.
    Control has got to begin somewhere. Why are you so opposed to any gun control? It sounds as though you are obsessed with guns. EVERYTHING has to be on the table. Understood? One can not talk about gun control while selectively stating that the issue of guns itself are off the table.

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