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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A) the officer was outside
    B) the officer actually did get a shot off - apparently he missed
    C) I agree. There should be a minimum of two.
    I would like to apologize. Apparently A) ad B) weren't fully accurate.

    Because in fact the officer in question (a Sherrifs Deputy) was in a firefight with one of the shooters, keeping him in place for an extended period of time, during which the shooters' gun jammed; and then organized an evacuation of the students before SWAT arrived - saving an untold number of lives.


    Gosh. It seems that having an armed first responder at Columbine was a good idea. Which, I suppose, is why roughly 1/3 of schools already do.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by teachix4jesus View Post
    i dont think this has to do with video games or guns. this guy was evil and probably hated life and wanted everybody else to die 2 because he hated his life so much. we shouldnt take away any of our rights imo
    I don't support any gun control measures as a result, but I don't believe the kid was evil. He was just unfortunate in that he was so screwed up mentally. Not excusing his actions, but evil is not a word which I would apply in this case.
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    thankyou! i know you didnt say that but thats what im hearing all on the news, its blaming the guns and blaming the video games
    but nobody is blaming the shooter and its not that I need a 100 round clip although my dad is a hunter and does use guns though im
    not sure what he has because he locks his guns and is responsible. what i dont think the government should take away the rights that
    we have been given. we dont need less rights now jmho

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't support any gun control measures as a result, but I don't believe the kid was evil. He was just unfortunate in that he was so screwed up mentally. Not excusing his actions, but evil is not a word which I would apply in this case.
    No, I wouldn't either. This young man was very sick, and his actions accomplished evil. But I can't use the word "evil" to describe him either.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I hope you mean vetted war veterans ! (of course you do) I would love to give them such a loving place in our society to prove that society doesn't hate them.
    And frankly, they would love doing it. For lots of the guys who did time in the infantry, the job options seem to be A) Cop B) low-end manual labor. Giving them a C) protect children from psycho's would be an option many of them would be thrilled to get.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Can you imagine how safe and excellent our schools would if if the Federal Government stopped spending so much money on keeping lazy people lazy, and instead focused those resources on protecting and bettering our children !!!!!
    So you want the Feds to take control of education? Interesting conservatism.

    You actually had no useful repsonse, but "oh no, a Libbo criticized the NRA. Better get out a knee jerk!"

    You'd think the NRA would want to help fight mental illnesses that cause people to do things that make them look bad. But since when has thought been the strongsuit of special interest groups...


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    Re: NRA Newtown response

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    The continued decline of our society into "progressivism" may yield results which you agree with. It also has a dark side. Really dark.
    Sorry to burst your completely broken hypothesis bubble but:


    You may now continue with "the world is going to hell in a handbasket... because of progressives" rants based on "feelings" rather than facts.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    i think having armed cops in school would be a good idea. these killers are cowards so maybe if they knew there were cops ready with guns in schools they would not do this. we also need more police around schools imo, people shouldnt be able to just go in thats rediculous.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A) the officer was outside
    B) the officer actually did get a shot off - apparently he missed
    C) I agree. There should be a minimum of two.


    Meanwhile, given that Conneticut and Aurora's restrictive gun laws apparently weren't much help in deterring homicidal psychos, I'm not terribly impressed with the argument that the problem can be solved by disarming the sheepdogs. Nothing is going to be a panacea - but we keep armed responders in our Courthouses, major public buildings, and around the President 24/7 - because we recognize that that makes these things safer. It's time we made our children safer.



    Weak response. The vast majority of those positions are administrative - the growth in administrative positions is something that has been occurring across the board and at all levels of education.

    Even in relatively small-government Texas the growth looks like this:




    Non-teaching staff is administrative. They are handling the administration of that school.

    However, the point remains. We are hiring lots of folks whom we probably don't really need, but who don't have as their primary focus the education of children. Let us make some of those hirees veterans who are trained First Responders; and who in the mean time can assist in the library or whatever.
    Ooookay. I'm happy you are a qualified expert on what schools do and don't need in order to educate the future workforce of our country in a global economy. Do you realize that even with this school shooting, elementary school aged children across this nation are statistically far safer at school than they are in their own homes? Are you going to put a resource officer in every home in the country? Look it up. See if I'm wrong.

    This reactionary nonsense you are advocating does not make any sense when it comes to the evidence. Historically, there have been so few school shootings at elementary schools compared to the number of children in the country, but if you compare that to the number of accidental deaths and injuries of children at home...well I'm pretty sure your confirmation bias at this point has made reality irrelevant.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    And frankly, they would love doing it. For lots of the guys who did time in the infantry, the job options seem to be A) Cop B) low-end manual labor. Giving them a C) protect children from psycho's would be an option many of them would be thrilled to get.
    I'm sorry but the idea to guard our schools with armed war "veterans" is positively the absolute worst idea I have ever heard in my life .If you don't know why I certainly can't explain it to you. It is bad in so many ways it isn't funny.

    The whole idea that more guns in school is the answer is insane. We want our children to be safe without armed guards of dubios safety value. Their safety is too high a cost for protecting the rights of a few mass murderers to have the finest killing machines in the world. The madness needs to stop somewhere.

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