Page 35 of 107 FirstFirst ... 2533343536374585 ... LastLast
Results 341 to 350 of 1067

Thread: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

  1. #341
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    23,393

    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Meh. If you want fully trained and credentialed resource officers in schools then feel free to argue for it. I can't wait to hear how you plan to pay for it without borrowing money from China or raising taxes.
    Gun owners and the gun makers would pay all costs of course. They are the only reason we are even discussing it.

  2. #342
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Last Seen
    12-29-15 @ 10:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,747

    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Could you imagine what would happen if the NRA spent just half of the resources they spend on defending everybody's right to carry any weapon anywhere to combating and treating mental illness?
    Can you imagine how safe and excellent our schools would if if the Federal Government stopped spending so much money on keeping lazy people lazy, and instead focused those resources on protecting and bettering our children !!!!!

  3. #343
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Last Seen
    12-29-15 @ 10:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,747

    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Meh. If you want fully trained and credentialed resource officers in schools then feel free to argue for it. I can't wait to hear how you plan to pay for it without borrowing money from China or raising taxes.
    We essentially do not borrow from China anymore. They have reduced their holdings in bonds from where they were a year ago.

    We borrow from our kids now. But we won't spend that money to protect THEM.

    The Federal Reserve owns most of our debt. Just takes ink and paper, more or less. Obama money. Look it up.

  4. #344
    Sage
    Crosscheck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:34 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,481

    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    An armed safety office didn't help a bit at the Columbine school. Why would you think it would make a difference anywhere then? The whole shooting in Newtown was over in 3 minutes. No "safety officer would have been able to stop it either. Those weapons are just too fast and powerful.
    Actually I think from what I heard the shooter in CT had a load of more ammunition he could have used but hearing the responders arriving he decided to shoot himself.
    Just like the killer at the Colorado movie theater. He had body armour on but once the police arrived he turtled. They have no problem being Jesse James againt sitting targets but once they face opposition they crap their panties.

  5. #345
    Outer space potato man

    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    51,849

    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    An armed safety office didn't help a bit at the Columbine school. Why would you think it would make a difference anywhere then? The whole shooting in Newtown was over in 3 minutes. No "safety officer would have been able to stop it either. Those weapons are just too fast and powerful.
    Or Ft. Hood, a freaking military base. Yes, I know, right-wingers, the guys walking around the base were unarmed. But of all places, shouldn't an armed security force be able to respond pretty quickly to stop the situation there? Short of having an armed person in literally every single classroom, how can things be better than they were at Columbine or Ft. Hood?

    I also love the facebook meme going around about hiring vets to guard the schools. Hey it will solve the veteran unemployment problem and protect our children! Yeah, because war veterans are known for being such a stable bunch, right? Let's give them a gun and put them around noisy, bratty children every single day!
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

  6. #346
    King of Videos
    dirtpoorchris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    WA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    7,028

    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Or Ft. Hood, a freaking military base. Yes, I know, right-wingers, the guys walking around the base were unarmed. But of all places, shouldn't an armed security force be able to respond pretty quickly to stop the situation there? Short of having an armed person in literally every single classroom, how can things be better than they were at Columbine or Ft. Hood?

    I also love the facebook meme going around about hiring vets to guard the schools. Hey it will solve the veteran unemployment problem and protect our children! Yeah, because war veterans are known for being such a stable bunch, right? Let's give them a gun and put them around noisy, bratty children every single day!
    Maybe if you allowed veterans into society more readily instead of pooping on them more would hold less resentment for society.
    I'm Finding it Harder to be a Gentleman, White Stripes ~ "You think I care about me and only me. When every girl needs help climbing up a tree."

  7. #347
    Sage
    Fenton's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    26,324

    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    An armed safety office didn't help a bit at the Columbine school. Why would you
    think it would make a difference anywhere then? The whole shooting in Newtown was over in 3 minutes. No "safety officer would have been able to stop it either. Those weapons are just too fast and powerful.
    You guys dont get it do you. Criminals and even mentally ill people who can plan out a mass killing do actually take into account enforced security measures including any guard and or presence of a possible farm before going on their rampage.

    Guns in the hands of law abiding trained individuals do stop crimes from being commited and prevent crimes from being caried out.

    How could anyone come to the conclusion that a armed criminal element against an disarmed law abiding public is a good idea ?

  8. #348
    King of Videos
    dirtpoorchris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    WA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    7,028

    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You guys dont get it do you. Criminals and even mentally ill people who can plan out a mass killing do actually take into account enforced security measures including any guard and or presence of a possible farm before going on their rampage.

    Guns in the hands of law abiding trained individuals do stop crimes from being commited and prevent crimes from being caried out.

    How could anyone come to the conclusion that a armed criminal element against an disarmed law abiding public is a good idea ?
    Insane, indoctrinated, hyper-emotional people.
    I'm Finding it Harder to be a Gentleman, White Stripes ~ "You think I care about me and only me. When every girl needs help climbing up a tree."

  9. #349
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    The darkside of the moon
    Last Seen
    05-24-14 @ 05:56 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    4,905
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    We can never make schools 100% safe.
    That is an absurd argument no one made captain obvious.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    If a group of mercenaries pulled up at an elementary school and came rushing in with guns blazing and tossing grenades, yes, the one armed school guard would provide weak opposition. BUT even if he could take one bad guy out or at least provide a speed bump then it may or may not save one young life. I know if I was in charge of protecting a 6 year old I would give my life in attempting to save him or her.
    First off, get that movie heroism bullcrap out of your head. The reality is that if there was a group of well trained mercenaries coming to kill school children you would not even be a speed bump. They would catch you off guard or hit the hole in your defenses because a school is not a military compound and it would be easy to capitalize on. you would be hit flat footed and not even have a chance to respond because this is real life and not the movies. trust me on that. I know warriors who can move on prepared people 10 times their numbers and take them down.

    Now, that being said why are you still alive? because we have a society and laws, and people have a reason to work together. Assault rifles have nothing to do with that. If you want to do the best you can to protect those kids you pass laws and have people watching those who have guns. You keep guns from hotheads and nutbars. no it won't stop some of them, but it will make it a lot harder for them to do what they do, and it will stop some of them. One thing that does not stop a guy ready to die from attacking is an opponent. The attack happens no matter what, it is just the result that changes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    As to your one statement if my grandson was in that school I do not want to wait until the shooter became " bored and offs himself".
    That does not matter at all because the likelihood that you will be there and prepared to fight at that particular moment are nil. Yopu are not going to be watching over him in the school, and even if you could respond the police would not let you into the building because you would do more harm than good. You can prep all you want, but unless you are walking around ready to get into a gunfight every moment of the day you have a weakness that any person bent on killing you can exploit. You want a fighting chance? Then it comes without guns. Then you have a chance to fight to save someone. If a gun is involved you are ineffective.

    So this is why I chose stricter regulations on who can buy assault rifles, and the responsibilities those people have for securing them.

  10. #350
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    The darkside of the moon
    Last Seen
    05-24-14 @ 05:56 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    4,905
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You guys dont get it do you. Criminals and even mentally ill people who can plan out a mass killing do actually take into account enforced security measures including any guard and or presence of a possible farm before going on their rampage.

    Guns in the hands of law abiding trained individuals do stop crimes from being commited and prevent crimes from being caried out.

    How could anyone come to the conclusion that a armed criminal element against an disarmed law abiding public is a good idea ?
    No, you don't get it. You are not saving anyone. you are not a hero. You are not protecting the world. The reality is that if gunshots started around you and you had an obvious assault rifle you would be dead. Why? because anyone with even the most smallest of brain shoots the armed man first. yeah, you are there with your assault rifle and all that makes you is a gigantic target. If you do survive the police will have trouble telling you from the actual shooter and you will just confuse the situation. That is reality. You need to stop living in the movies. From your perception the gunfire starts and while you are trying to figure out whether or not the shooting is over or still a threat and where to go the killer is moving on and will eventually see you. You don't know what is going on, and you are clearly a scared rabbit ready to twitch fire and frankly I would much rather you not fire. I don't trust your reasoning or abilities. I know you are far more likely to be a danger to the people around you and an interference to law enforcement than saving the day. believe me, you don't want people like me armed around you because you would be one of the people I would take down. If it has a gun and is not a police officer I would waste it. That means you hero boy.

Page 35 of 107 FirstFirst ... 2533343536374585 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •