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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It is interesting to read that the price of protecting children by putting an armed officer in each school is too high? Since when did this happen? The left uses "for the children" at every turn... except this!

    Look at the ridiculous arguments (like that above) for not protecting kids from deranged lunatics. Such deep thinking.

    We have spent trillions upon trillions for Socialist adventures that have bankrupted our nation and made matters worse, but when it comes to:

    1. Protecting our borders.

    2. Having a strong military...

    3. ...and now protecting kids in schools from deranged lunatics who do feed off the media and culture that's be spawned during the last decades... they come off like a certain Rev. Wright... namely...

    'No, no, no..."

    LaPierre nailed it on each and every issue.
    Indeed he did. We have armed guards in our banks, credit unions, and Federal and State buildings in Austin. The San Antonio middle and high schools have armed security guards. As to the financing, get rid of some useless counselors and admin folks, like assistant superintendents. I'm sure there is some revenue there.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    The only thing police or security guards are going to do at most schools is check for drugs. We saw in california when 2 psychos with assault rifles attacked a bank the police and security guards are outgunned by these weapons. The police who far outnumbered the two shooters were pinned down for something like 45 minutes. Their pistols were ineffective, and even the swat guys wouldn't go in until they were able to formulate a plan. Yet the NRA wants us to put a security guard there and hope that deters a person who is pretty much resigned to dying? Even cops end up running from assault rifles because they have something to live for. This is not to mention these guns are accurate at long distances and one could easily just snipe the people at the door to start their rampage. Even with a concealed handgun it is easy to take out at least three flat footed guards before they even get their gun out to respond with a poorly aimed shaky first shot.

    the NRA has made a stupid suggestion that won't do a thing but sell more guns. Plus i have seen these supposedly well trained cops in action and the only place that is safe when most of them are terrified enough to use their weapons is to be the shooter. That is if they put cops there, mall security guards are more likely to shoot themselves than a criminal. The NRA should have just kept silent instead of offering up this crazy bit of BS. Do we really want armed guards and guns around our elementary school children? next thing you know we will have some crazy guard killing a student because he went for his skittles.

    It is much more effective to continue to develop lockdown procedures that will protect the kids until the crazed gunman gets bored and offs himself.
    We can never make schools 100% safe. If a group of mercenaries pulled up at an elementary school and came rushing in with guns blazing and tossing grenades, yes, the one armed school guard would provide weak opposition. BUT even if he could take one bad guy out or at least provide a speed bump then it may or may not save one young life. I know if I was in charge of protecting a 6 year old I would give my life in attempting to save him or her.

    As to your one statement
    It is much more effective to continue to develop lockdown procedures that will protect the kids until the crazed gunman gets bored and offs himself.
    if my grandson was in that school I do not want to wait until the shooter became " bored and offs himself".
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The "A" in NRA represents "Association". As in dues-paying members. For whose interests the NRA acts. That's 5, btw.
    So gun comapnies that donate to the NRA are considered members? I am a little confused about this. The NRA used to be about it members and gun safty. Now it more of a mouth pieace for gun compnaies. Saying the NRA represents dues paying member to me is a little of a stretch. So where exactly does that 250 million a year go. Bottom line the NRA had a chance to do something big yesterday instead, they want to limit free speech and blame video games and movies. Now if guns dont kill people niether do video games or movies. Which is a stupid comaprison anyway. I was actually waiting on that idiot to start saying we need god back in school. God holding and assult weapon with an NRA logo in the bottom right hand corner. I do not think it a good idea to make schools look like prisons. They whole speech was stupid and made the NRA look like a bunch of asshats. We need real answers not a mad man pounding the desk. The NRA failed yesterday it failed its members and America!

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    We need real answers not a mad man pounding the desk. The NRA failed yesterday it failed its members and America!
    Real answers? Any suggestions?

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Fortunately, we don't need the NRA or anyone else to tell us that violence begets violence. Yes. Violence in video games desensitizes young uncooked minds. There is no question in my mind. Do all young people who play these games by the hour/day/week/year turn into killers? Of course not. Just as all people who have access to guns don't become mass murderers.

    You forgot to mention one of the games: Kindergarten Killers. It's been around for ten year. Cute, huh?

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    Or perhaps you'd like to play: Super Columbine Massacre?

    Put these games together with movies like Hostel's I, II and III, sicko porn-violence movies of a similiar ilk available on our cable tv stations, and you've got an ample buffet on which sick minds can feed.

    We are a sick society.
    The anti-gunners probably don't mind the existence of these games, probably play them in their basements.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    So gun comapnies that donate to the NRA are considered members? I am a little confused about this. The NRA used to be about it members and gun safty. Now it more of a mouth pieace for gun compnaies. Saying the NRA represents dues paying member to me is a little of a stretch. So where exactly does that 250 million a year go. Bottom line the NRA had a chance to do something big yesterday instead, they want to limit free speech and blame video games and movies. Now if guns dont kill people niether do video games or movies. Which is a stupid comaprison anyway. I was actually waiting on that idiot to start saying we need god back in school. God holding and assult weapon with an NRA logo in the bottom right hand corner. I do not think it a good idea to make schools look like prisons. They whole speech was stupid and made the NRA look like a bunch of asshats. We need real answers not a mad man pounding the desk. The NRA failed yesterday it failed its members and America!
    I believe that a Jack Nicholson character said it best, and I paraphrase: "Liberals can't handle the truth".

    The last three bigtime shooters, Va Tech, Aurora, and Newtown, were all oddball recluses who were heavily immersed into violent video games. Perhaps you can find for the rest of us similar carnage from the 60's and 70's ? We had lots of guns then too.

    In all fairness, when I hear most liberals talk about gun control, I hear nothing but stupidity as well.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Typical. We shouldn't protect our children from gunmen because I Hate Bush.
    Given that a resource officer was of little help at Columbine High School, I'm not particularly impressed with your argument.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The anti-gunners probably don't mind the existence of these games, probably play them in their basements.
    And the uber-gunners rush to the chance to mimic those they decry by blaming inanimate objects they personally have an issue with for killings.

    Then again, this is the same group that bitch about federal spending and federal mandates for schools.....and then immediately rush to applaud a call for something that would increase government spending and increase federal involvement in the schools.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    How many times do we have to repeat this?

    There was an armed guard at Columbine.

    Nancy Lanza was pretty well armed as well. How'd that work out for her.

    The over-whelming majority of parents would never support that at elementary schools. NEVER. (in fact any parent who would support that should get a visit from child services IMO)

    Patrols with trained police officers, fine. But those officers' time would be better spent auditing and updating lists of people who are never allowed to own a weapon. Every police department should have an anonymous tip line for people to call in their concerns about gun owners in the community who may have flew under the radar. The police can check public records for domestic abuse, and military records for dishonorable discharge or PTSD.

    Will these armed principles and janitors be wearing Kevlar vests? Because all the shooters do.

    Do you guys think these things through?
    Nancy Lanza was in bed sleeping when her son shot her in the head. Did Ultra Liberal Senator Barbera Boxer think through her proposed Save Our Schools Act that calls for using the National Guard at all public schools? BTW she proposed this act last Tuesday why havn't any of you anti gun nuts mentioned this? That was 3 days before Wayne Lapierre's speech.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    There are what.. 120k schools (public and private) in the US. Say on average you need 3 guards per school.. so that 360k guards, who all need to be trained and paid.

    Let me ask this... where on earth would you get the money from to pay for this? Most areas can barely keep schools open, and now they have to have paid armed guards for 8+ hours a day, 5 to 7 days a week?

    Lets do some math. Lets say these guards will get minimum wage. That they work one hour before school opens to on hour after school closes.. on average.. say 8 hours in total per day on average. They work 5 days a week. Minimum wage is 7.25 dollars... (good luck on getting people to take those jobs btw at that wage.. in high cost of living areas).

    So that is 58 bucks a day, 290 bucks a week, 1160 a month. Say that hey only work 300 days a year (no weekends, not on school holidays).. so that would be 17k a year.. per guard. That would be over 6 billion in wages alone.. and that is at minimum wage, something I highly doubt will be enough (especially in high cost of living areas). Add to that administrative costs, healthcare, and equipment.. and of course profit... this will of course be done by the private sector right... so lets say you need 10 billion a year minimum.. more likely 15 to 20 billion a year if not much much higher if you give them healthcare (screw that right?).

    So where are struggling school districts, that have cut hours, fired teachers, increased class sizes... find this money? Are people willing to pay higher taxes?
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