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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolutely they got stuck in a no win situation. That still didn't "force" them to have to respond, nor did it "force" them to respond in part by taking the same types of asinine action that anti-gun folks have been taking. That was their CHOICE.

    Instead, they succeeded to take a no win situation, and actually create a worse third option to go down...Respond, and Respond poorly.

    I find it interesting that the press never jumps on the brady thugs who appear as if they welcome these sorts of massacres. I find it interesting I haven't seen any posts from you noting how idiotic it is for the anti gun goons to whine about gun laws when the CT gun laws were ones the Brady thugs loved (well I know they prefer complete bans but they cannot come out and say that)

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that makes no sense. we are talking about the proper response to active shooters not someone flying a plane into PS 121 or driving a truck loaded with high explosives into the auditorium during a school meeting
    If you're SINGULARLY talking about "active shooters", then massively limiting legal guns would also allow for a decline in these kind of things happening. SINGULARLY talking about "active shooter" situations and nothing else is idiotic, for one of the specific reason that is used often in arguing against the notion of gun bans. People who want to kill will go about finding ways to do it. Arming teachers just likely spurs a different situation to occur.

    Does that mean I'm necessarily against removing the notion of a "no gun zone" from schools? No. It means I don't buy the bull**** that the push for it is because of situations like this....situations like this just give people like you and the NRA the same thing people like Catawba and other anti-gun folks get from it. Emotional tools that you can use to bludgeon your political points you're invested in, simply the latest pawn in both sides constant little game.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Really? Because the NRA types seem to be just as quick to rush for calls to remove restrictions on "no gun zones" as anti-gun folks are to call for further restrictions on guns. Not to mention that every time the these incidents happen gun sales spike as people freak out over Democrats threatening to take regulatory action. Not to mention, I'd bet dollars to donuts that NRA donations spike during these situations because both sides politicize it so.

    Spare me, both sides realize this kind of thing does nothing but give them an outlet to push their political message and get their principles riled up. Both have sympathizes for the victims, but both sides primary goal it seems is "How can I quickly make this advantageous for me politically"
    I wouldn't want to no gun zone to be absolutely lifted. I would want it so only guards and teachers/staff are allowed weapons. Still dont want random people walking through school with a gun.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I find it interesting that the press never jumps on the brady thugs who appear as if they welcome these sorts of massacres. I find it interesting I haven't seen any posts from you noting how idiotic it is for the anti gun goons to whine about gun laws when the CT gun laws were ones the Brady thugs loved (well I know they prefer complete bans but they cannot come out and say that)
    Not my fault you're so far up your own ego on these type of topics that you don't bother to read the threads you're posting in let alone others. From a few posts up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    One side rants and raves about "assault weapon bans" not because it'd do a damn thing (note, the most famous school massacre? Occurred during the last "assault weapons ban" period). To them these things are nothing but an opportunity to continue to push their point they've been pushing since the AWB expired...this just gives them cover to do it yet again. The killer could've used a 6 shooter or muzzle loader and I guarantee we'd still be hearing about an "assault weapon ban".
    You're Catawba, just with a different color of body paint and a different team chant to bellow out while the two sides of the soccer hooligan type of clash go at it. Grab the nearest dead body and start wielding it like a club and make sure to keep pushing that political message...there's points to be scored. Your side can do not wrong, must be defended in all things at all times at all costs, and anything they do in error must not be pointed out because by god you can't attack your side. You may argue the positives of your side more intelligently, but you're just as slovenly beholden to pushing the party line and wearing blinders to your sides own issues while going out of your way to excuse and justify it.

    The NRA is as shameful in this as the anti-gun folks, who I've largely had issues with and spoken my issues towards since this thing began. From the start I've been critical of the idiotic notion of focusing on guns or blaming guns for violence...and that same level and type of idiocy being applied to Video Games and Movies deserves the same type of scorn. For weeks we had people on this forum defending against the anti-gun folks, making arguments like blame the person not the weapon, or suggesting that some people are just evil and it has nothing to do with guns. Yet the NRA comes out and spends part of their "statement" ranting and raving about violent video games and movies as being to blame.....and not a peep, rather, lets all just clap along and applaud the NRA and go after those that dare to suggest their ****ty views are ALSO ****ty.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you don't think thousands of comments about the NRA "Failing to respond" didn't happen
    Wonder if ED will have a "strawman" tracker for you. My guess? No.

    Never stated I don't think comments about the NRA failing to respond didn't happen. Please, highlight where I've stated that. I've acknowledged their lack of response was noted by the media. I fully agree that they were being attacked for "failing to respond".

    My bone of contention was with the notion they were "forced" into respond. They choose to respond and they choose to respond in the method they did.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    NRA Newtown response: National program to place armed security in schools

    LaPierre in part blamed mass shootings on "vicious, violent video games" such as "Bulletstorm," "Grand Theft Auto," Mortal Kombat" and "Splatterhouse." He also reached back in time to place blame on movies like "American Psycho" and "Natural Born Killers" for portraying "life as a joke and murder as a way of life."

    He went on to say that congress should put armed officers in every school in America. Who'd a thunk that a lobby for gun manufacturing comes up with the solution that we need to sell more guns? What a shocker.

    Anywhoo... I find it interesting that he chose to put a stupidity rift on this issue between his lobbying for the gun manufacturing industry and the video game, movie and music industries. He made it appear as "Guns? it's not gu.... LOOK OVER THERE!"
    Leave it to the NRA to not do a damned thing, and to their fans to think it was a great idea. Armed guard are already in our ghetto schools, and they still have shootings. A mad gunman shot up a damned military base a few years back and OMG he got victims. So I don't think more people with guns is the solution to this problem as even prepared people with guns don't stop mad gunmen.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Leave it to the NRA to not do a damned thing, and to their fans to think it was a great idea. Armed guard are already in our ghetto schools, and they still have shootings. A mad gunman shot up a damned military base a few years back and OMG he got victims. So I don't think more people with guns is the solution to this problem as even prepared people with guns don't stop mad gunmen.
    it sure makes more sense to tell people who already break capital murder laws that they will be in trouble for having a certain type of gun. the shooting at the military base involved victims who all were DISARMED

    nice try but again the facts get in the way of your hate the NRA rant

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not my fault you're so far up your own ego on these type of topics that you don't bother to read the threads you're posting in let alone others. From a few posts up.



    You're Catawba, just with a different color of body paint and a different team chant to bellow out while the two sides of the soccer hooligan type of clash go at it. Grab the nearest dead body and start wielding it like a club and make sure to keep pushing that political message...there's points to be scored. Your side can do not wrong, must be defended in all things at all times at all costs, and anything they do in error must not be pointed out because by god you can't attack your side. You may argue the positives of your side more intelligently, but you're just as slovenly beholden to pushing the party line and wearing blinders to your sides own issues while going out of your way to excuse and justify it.

    The NRA is as shameful in this as the anti-gun folks, who I've largely had issues with and spoken my issues towards since this thing began. From the start I've been critical of the idiotic notion of focusing on guns or blaming guns for violence...and that same level and type of idiocy being applied to Video Games and Movies deserves the same type of scorn. For weeks we had people on this forum defending against the anti-gun folks, making arguments like blame the person not the weapon, or suggesting that some people are just evil and it has nothing to do with guns. Yet the NRA comes out and spends part of their "statement" ranting and raving about violent video games and movies as being to blame.....and not a peep, rather, lets all just clap along and applaud the NRA and go after those that dare to suggest their ****ty views are ALSO ****ty.
    Only thing I can think of is its some hair-brained way of delegitimizing the 2nd amendment people's voice by attaching something really, really stupid to that message. Give the mainstream news something to sink their teeth into and trumpet to the world.

    I have a hard time believing anyone truly believes the video game/movie thingy. That's saying that the average person cant distinguish the difference between fantasy and reality.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    I thought this was a good response to the NRA statement today:

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I thought this was a good response to the NRA statement today:

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    the reality is that the press uses their first amendment rights to try to destroy the second

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