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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm sorry but what? Forced? No, the NRA chose to announce to the press they were going to be speaking. CHOSE to do a big press conference speaking about things. and CHOSE to say the ridiculous things they stated. That wasn't "forced". Was the coverage and attacks on them at times idiotic? Absolutely....but that doesn't magically mean they were "Forced" to do anything nor does it negate their own idiocy.
    So let's put on blinders to how the politics of this works !! Is this strawman kill night for you ? You got about four under your belt now.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh, gotcha.

    Media commenting about the NRA = "Force"

    Bull****, and the type of bull**** that if this was flipped you'd be railing at people against.

    The NRA wasn't "forced" to do anything. They CHOSE to respond. And in their response they acted like the anti-gun people and decided to go on a moralistic crusade pointing the finger at some other secondary target as being to blame, in this case not one protected by the 2nd but one protected by the 1st.
    The "A" in NRA represents "Association". As in dues-paying members. For whose interests the NRA acts. That's 5, btw.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the NRA isn't perfect but they are far more honest than any of the anti gun groups

    the NRA hates these massacres-the leaders of the gun ban groups welcome them
    Really? Because the NRA types seem to be just as quick to rush for calls to remove restrictions on "no gun zones" as anti-gun folks are to call for further restrictions on guns. Not to mention that every time the these incidents happen gun sales spike as people freak out over Democrats threatening to take regulatory action. Not to mention, I'd bet dollars to donuts that NRA donations spike during these situations because both sides politicize it so.

    Spare me, both sides realize this kind of thing does nothing but give them an outlet to push their political message and get their principles riled up. Both have sympathizes for the victims, but both sides primary goal it seems is "How can I quickly make this advantageous for me politically"

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh, gotcha.

    Media commenting about the NRA = "Force"

    Bull****, and the type of bull**** that if this was flipped you'd be railing at people against.

    The NRA wasn't "forced" to do anything. They CHOSE to respond. And in their response they acted like the anti-gun people and decided to go on a moralistic crusade pointing the finger at some other secondary target as being to blame, in this case not one protected by the 2nd but one protected by the 1st.
    they were put in a no win situation and we both know it

    and its obvious to me that getting the NRA is what really motivates most of this BS feigned indignation from the press and the turds like Fineswine. and what they should have done is this

    1) the weapons in question are the ones that every governmental unit in the USA has decreed are the most suitable tools for civilian employees to use for self defense against criminals in urban environments

    2) gun free zones are what attracts killers-rather than calling for the untenable solution of having armed cops in every school support choice-if teachers and adminstrators want to pack they should be able to if they get a CCW. the uncertainty of which school has armed adults is almost as good a deterrent as cops and a cop would be the most likely first target of a premeditated active shooting.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    So let's put on blinders to how the politics of this works !! Is this strawman kill night for you ? You got about four under your belt now.
    Please, explain to me how politics "Forced" the NRA to respond.

    I'm all ears.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    2) gun free zones are what attracts killers-rather than calling for the untenable solution of having armed cops in every school support choice-if teachers and adminstrators want to pack they should be able to if they get a CCW. the uncertainty of which school has armed adults is almost as good a deterrent as cops and a cop would be the most likely first target of a premeditated active shooting.
    So are you suggesting that if you put guns in the hands of teachers, those intent to kill their school mates will not find other methods of doing it other than going in guns a blazing?

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Please, explain to me how politics "Forced" the NRA to respond.

    I'm all ears.
    you don't think thousands of comments about the NRA "Failing to respond" didn't happen

    forced perhaps you are right

    but the media wanted to blame the NRA and you know damn well what happens if you don't respond in an environment where the press has blamed you for something

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So are you suggesting that if you put guns in the hands of teachers, those intent to kill their school mates will not find other methods of doing it other than going in guns a blazing?
    that makes no sense. we are talking about the proper response to active shooters not someone flying a plane into PS 121 or driving a truck loaded with high explosives into the auditorium during a school meeting

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the NRA isn't perfect but they are far more honest than any of the anti gun groups

    the NRA hates these massacres-the leaders of the gun ban groups welcome them
    They are human. I'm sure they are appalled. But when it comes to their organization, they sat quiet for a week, shut down their facebook posts and website updates, then decided at a press conference to do a completely ridiculous deflection of blaming video games and music. We went throught this **** in the 80's when suicidal teens blew their brains out and parents sued Judas Priest. Individually I have no doubt these NRA folk feel horrible and are saddened... as an organization, their actions showed that they are in self preservation mode and came out pointing fingers. You're right, they didn't have to say a damn thing. And they probably shouldn't have. IMO, they should've been business as usual and kept up their facebook and website talking about gun safety. They played this abhorently.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude
    your claim is a lie btw. 95% of the people who have carry licenses were trained by NRA instructors. the NRA is state of the art in this area.

    if the dems had not begun in the 1960s using Gun control as a facade to escape the legitimate charge that the Dems were soft on crime, the NRA never would have had to become a lobbying group. its your side that started attacking gun rights
    I'm sure they still have lots of gun safety, but they publicly push for gun sales more than anything. At least that's what their lobbying congress seems to be all about.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    they were put in a no win situation and we both know it
    Absolutely they got stuck in a no win situation. That still didn't "force" them to have to respond, nor did it "force" them to respond in part by taking the same types of asinine action that anti-gun folks have been taking. That was their CHOICE.

    Instead, they succeeded to take a no win situation, and actually create a worse third option to go down...Respond, and Respond poorly.

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