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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I feel for you. I'm in the category of "more guns or less guns is not really a solution" and that seems to automatically put me in the "gun control" category.
    I'm not surprised by it. It's why I tend to stay the hell out of the gun forum. Everyone wears their asses on their shoulders and there is no budgeing whatsoever.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I see, you have trouble differentiating a robbery with the slaughter of innocent people. Thanks for the info. That helps explain a lot!
    BTW again you have dishonestly misinterpreted what I said

    I said someone slaughtering people is a crime

    and you claim that meant I cannot differentiate murder from robbery

    that is dishonest and reprehensible. why do you engage in so much dishonesty?

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Parents...from the amount of time focused on the kids, to the type of child rearing occurring, to the types of messages that are provided to the children and the type of accountability they're given?Similarly, schools themselves and the change in mentality, discipline structure, and regarding messages of responsibility? Not to mention increase in class sizes, reducing the individual attention and chance for something to be noticed and also increasing the potential for more targets close together. Free flowing and readily available information contributing to a generalized heightening of knowledge and a feeling of "maturity" in kids due to it? Narcissistic outlets of communication that enhance the ability for an egocentric mindset to set in? More and more reliance on medication and drugs within the younger generation? More readily available news, making the knowledge of such incidents become more commonly in grained in peoples minds, allowing people to know they'll be talked about and focused on if they did this, and allowing all of us to hear about them happening in instances where no one outside of the local area may've heard about it 30 or 40 years ago? Change in mentality of the adults and even sometimes the "kids" in such situations in terms of taking action to try and stop the situation?

    But no...no you're right, clearly it's violent movies and games.
    I agree...kids are now taught life is about self esteem and feeling good not about self control and delaying gratification.

    Kids now crave immediate gratification and ego stroking to an extent never before seen in American culture.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I feel for you. I'm in the category of "more guns or less guns is not really a solution" and that seems to automatically put me in the "gun control" category.
    I'm of the feeling that "Guns" in any direction is somewhat missing the point and is basically leapt to in these types of situations by both sides not for any actual empathetic care for the victims or noble need to stop it from happening in the future but rather for their own pathetic base political desires. The dead bodies are nothing but tools in the eyes of these people.

    One side rants and raves about "assault weapon bans" not because it'd do a damn thing (note, the most famous school massacre? Occurred during the last "assault weapons ban" period). To them these things are nothing but an opportunity to continue to push their point they've been pushing since the AWB expired...this just gives them cover to do it yet again. The killer could've used a 6 shooter or muzzle loader and I guarantee we'd still be hearing about an "assault weapon ban".

    The other side rightly points out that even if you took away guns, those who want to kill will find other ways. Then they make themselves look like ****ing idiots by ranting about "See, these happen in places where guns aren't allowed. These wouldn't happen if we just let guns in those places" which basically is a statement that is so incoherently stupid in relation to the previous statement that it hurts my head to imagine that thinking rational people actually put it forth. "If we take away their guns, killers will find a way to still kill...but if we give other people guns, killers will apparently just give up trying to kill and not attempt to find another way to be successful".

    Seriously, both sides can go sit on a nail.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Nope. You're just making stuff up. Families need to be educated about potential risks and proper agencies need to be informed about such mental issues, including serious red flags.

    We either do this, or we tolerate more kids betting shot in cold blood.

    Take your pick.
    Nope. What you suggest is completely unrealistic. Do you think that either Aurora or Newtown would have been "committed" under some new system ?

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I said someone slaughtering people is a crime
    You implied that all crime was the same. That is where we differ.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You implied that all crime was the same. That is where we differ.
    another dishonest lie and misrepresentation

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Parents...from the amount of time focused on the kids, to the type of child rearing occurring, to the types of messages that are provided to the children and the type of accountability they're given?Similarly, schools themselves and the change in mentality, discipline structure, and regarding messages of responsibility? Not to mention increase in class sizes, reducing the individual attention and chance for something to be noticed and also increasing the potential for more targets close together. Free flowing and readily available information contributing to a generalized heightening of knowledge and a feeling of "maturity" in kids due to it? Narcissistic outlets of communication that enhance the ability for an egocentric mindset to set in? More and more reliance on medication and drugs within the younger generation? More readily available news, making the knowledge of such incidents become more commonly in grained in peoples minds, allowing people to know they'll be talked about and focused on if they did this, and allowing all of us to hear about them happening in instances where no one outside of the local area may've heard about it 30 or 40 years ago? Change in mentality of the adults and even sometimes the "kids" in such situations in terms of taking action to try and stop the situation?

    But no...no you're right, clearly it's violent movies and games.
    I never limited the reasons to "violent movies and games". And neither did the NRA. They, and I, listed examples of the decay of the family, and of society in general. I have a few posts in this thread, btw, and I mirror more than a few of your points above.

    You did slay your strawman though.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    The NRA may've not limited to that, but they choose to make that their focus which is the ridiculous part. Even if we accept the premise that Violent Movies or Video Games substantially impacts (substantially enough to warrant being greatly singled out by the NRA) people to help create these kind of incidents, it still isn't worthy of such condemnation because the far greater point would be the PARENTS who allow their children to partake in such things. However, by focusing on such ridiculous things as blaming Video Games and Movies the NRA is highlighting the apparent feeling that society or the government should be taking the steps to "parent" children rather than putting it on the parents. It's amazing that apparently "guns don't kill people" but violent video games do. Did they say that directly? No, but they said it in the same general vain that anti-gun people say it about guns which causes the NRA types to launch the critique of "guns don't kill people", so the label fits.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually as someone who spent some time prosecuting crimes I suspect I am far better educated than you are on this subject and you differentiating one type of crime from another does not make something other than robbery not a crime
    You would think so, thats exactly why I question your frequent claims to be an attorney. You have provided zero evidence of being better educated in your debates with me.
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