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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's not it at all.
    A teacher seeking a CCW permit, is more likely to be trained than your average teacher.

    If you think that they should have official training, before being allowed to carry on campus, I'd be on board with that.
    Make it voluntary.
    Perhaps. So long as it is holstered on their body and NEVER is off their person. And I mean NEVER... as long as they are on campus. Any gun put down will find itself in kids hands. Even in a lock-box. Kids break into their schools all the time and no lockbox will not keep them out of prying.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Perhaps. So long as it is holstered on their body and NEVER is off their person. And I mean NEVER... as long as they are on campus. Any gun ut down will find itself in kids hands. Even in a lock-box. Kids break into their schools all the time and no lockbox will keep them out of prying.
    Never off their person or a lockbox, would be fine.
    It can entirely voluntary, but the teachers should report to the presiding principle of the school.
    That should be mandatory.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    They've already gone though all that being retired Police Officers and Marines.
    No. There is a major difference being a trained Resource Officer for a school and being a former Police Officer or Marine. You may want to do a bit more research on the job before you assume anyone with security training can do it.

    Gun Control doesn't work. The Justice Department under Clinton commissioned the University of PA to do a study. The conclusion is beyond refute.

    http://www.sas.upenn.edu/jerrylee/re..._final2004.pdf
    Nothing is beyond refute. However, I do agree that more gun control is probably not going to solve anything. Likewise, I don't think more guns are going to solve anything. Both solutions are baseless and stupid.

    Guns are just a scapegoat for emotional reactionaries who want to take away Individual Rights. It's a mob tactic.
    And yet that is what you are doing. You want to increase POLICE presence in schools across the country, when it has been found that does little to increase overall security and generally leads to abuses of power.

    Columbine High School had a Resource Officer. How much did that help?

    You are emotionally reacting. Cool down and recognize that you need to THINK through these decisions instead of acting in reaction. Otherwise you are no better than those you believe are trying to take away your gun rights.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm not sure how choosing an option that could create a vast number of unintended consequences is supposed to solve the problem. Usually solving a problem does not involve creating more problems.

    Which until the Connecticut shooting and subsequent gun debate were all government jobs that conservatives wanted to cut to reduce the size of the government and deficit but which have now apparantly become vitally important to national security.

    I think you need to check your figures.
    The above is all nonsense. No facts. No links. Nothing.

    As if "unintended consequenses" is not one huge result of knee-jerk legislation !

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    No. There is a major difference being a trained Resource Officer for a school and being a former Police Officer or Marine. You may want to do a bit more research on the job before you assume anyone with security training can do it.



    Nothing is beyond refute. However, I do agree that more gun control is probably not going to solve anything. Likewise, I don't think more guns are going to solve anything. Both solutions are baseless and stupid.



    And yet that is what you are doing. You want to increase POLICE presence in schools across the country, when it has been found that does little to increase overall security and generally leads to abuses of power.

    Columbine High School had a Resource Officer. How much did that help?

    You are emotionally reacting. Cool down and recognize that you need to THINK through these decisions instead of acting in reaction. Otherwise you are no better than those you believe are trying to take away your gun rights.
    Sorry. More "because I say so", and I see too much nonsense again. Bronson was much more accurate, with more insight, than you showed.

    I suggest you study the concept of "fire prevention". It does not stop every fire. Just as an armed security entity inside each school (Columbine was not on the inside ... look it up), fire prevention does not stop every fire. But the results are tangible when one compares before and after numbers.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Your attack on the NRA is text book knee jerk anti gun nonsense. As if they had ANYTHING to do with some lunatic on a killing spree.

    Your lack of prior NRA threads just reinforces my assertion that it's politics that motivates you, not a sincere concern over how to prevent these types of attacks from happening again.

    Liberals are good about supporting initiatives that DON'T work or don't have any tangible outcome, it's not about results it's about the intentions.

    For every disgusting remark made about the Tea Party or lie concocted about Conservative positions or Hyperbolic insults and trumped up accusations about the previous President you guys are really good at exposing your true character and proving time and time again that to be a die hard liberal one must first remove all pretense of integrity. That's not hyperbole that's truth.

    You quit counting dead American soldiers right after 2008, the media who's "objective" stopped covering some no name know nothing bitch who used her dead soldier son to gain attention and popularity, you ignore the massive deficit spending and a sinking economy under a incompetent President who's responsible for a shrinking labor force and a record number of people dependent on hand outs.....

    And you still blame Bush..Unbelievable.

    You ignore a obvious cover-up involving our dead Ambassador ( if it was Bush you guys would have impeached him buy now ) and lay claim to a GDP that's increasing solely because of massive Govt expenditures.

    No more nonsense about Halliburton who actually received their first "no bid contract" under Clinton's administration in his Kosovo redirect or blood for oil threads as you weigh a soldiers blood depending on the Political position of the current administration.


    So if I don't believe your "sincerity", just know I have a good reason not to.
    You are not debating me. You are debating what you see is some static liberal that you've conjured up on whole and you slap the label on whomever doesn't agree with you and think you got the world pegged. I don't fit into your neat little box. If you don't have the time to debate the points brought up by a specific person, then don't expect the person you are talking to to take you seriously because with these black and white prewritten left/right liberal/conservative talking points, you are showing that you aren't taking them seriously at all.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    NRA Newtown response: National program to place armed security in schools

    LaPierre in part blamed mass shootings on "vicious, violent video games" such as "Bulletstorm," "Grand Theft Auto," Mortal Kombat" and "Splatterhouse." He also reached back in time to place blame on movies like "American Psycho" and "Natural Born Killers" for portraying "life as a joke and murder as a way of life."

    He went on to say that congress should put armed officers in every school in America. Who'd a thunk that a lobby for gun manufacturing comes up with the solution that we need to sell more guns? What a shocker.

    Anywhoo... I find it interesting that he chose to put a stupidity rift on this issue between his lobbying for the gun manufacturing industry and the video game, movie and music industries. He made it appear as "Guns? it's not gu.... LOOK OVER THERE!"
    Ugg, pathetic.

    Both sides make me sick.

    One rushes to blame guns and now the NRA rushes to ****ing blame video games and movies.

    ****'em both.

    Its **** like this that makes it clear that while I don't agree with most of those fighting the battle of "gun control", I don't buy that the NRA is some protectors of the constitution. They're no different than the other side...they just give a crap about the rights that suit them politically.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Sorry. More "because I say so", and I see too much nonsense again. Bronson was much more accurate, with more insight, than you showed.
    So basically you didn't like what I had to say. You don't need to apologize. You are entitled to your opinion. As far as accuracy, you are a poor judge given that you based your assessment of my accuracy entirely on how you felt about what I said rather than whether it was factually true.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I know for a fact that Japan has had nerve gas attacks.
    Yeah we see them in the news all the time.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    So basically you didn't like what I had to say. You don't need to apologize. You are entitled to your opinion. As far as accuracy, you are a poor judge given that you based your assessment of my accuracy entirely on how you felt about what I said rather than whether it was factually true.
    LOL ....... try again.

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