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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    How many times do we have to repeat this?

    There was an armed guard at Columbine.
    Who was not in the school. Harris and Klebold knew this. When on a suicide mission, who gives a crap about a cop, or guard, who is on the outside. OBTW, the guard did get a shot off outside at Harris. And missed.

    Nancy Lanza was pretty well armed as well. How'd that work out for her.
    That's plain stupid. The enemy within got her .... duh !

    The over-whelming majority of parents would never support that at elementary schools. NEVER. (in fact any parent who would support that should get a visit from child services IMO)
    Got a link ? I claim different. I think that you are wrong. We have colleges that used to not allow campus police to pack heat. After shootings at VA Tech, and Northern Illinois, both changed their policies.

    Patrols with trained police officers, fine. But those officers' time would be better spent auditing and updating lists of people who are never allowed to own a weapon. Every police department should have an anonymous tip line for people to call in their concerns about gun owners in the community who may have flew under the radar. The police can check public records for domestic abuse, and military records for dishonorable discharge or PTSD.

    Will these armed principles and janitors be wearing Kevlar vests? Because all the shooters do.
    Connecticut had the fourth most restrictive gun laws of all states already. Lanza was not wearing Kevlar, btw. You still get knocked down, btw.

    Do you guys think these things through?
    Oh the irony

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm going to enjoy watching conservative gun nuts argue that the government needs to spend $8 billion a year putting police in every school in the country while at the same time arguing for "smaller government" and "deficit reduction".
    There are plenty of retired marines and police officers who would gladly volunteer

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, think about it. I'll bet we spend millions protecting just one school from fire, special fire doors, flame-retardant materials, concrete walls and floors, alarms on every floor wired to the fire department, sprinkler systems, smoke and flame detectors, etc., etc.

    At the least, can we not secure our school buildings? Ballastic glass on the front entrance...a part-time cop to man the entrance at the beginning of the school day and run the students through metal detectors...(they already do this in many inner-city schools in Chicago and other large cities)...alarms wired directly to cop stations when doors are breached or an attempt is made...wired alarms in every classroom...secure steel doors at every classroom entrance with ballastic glass -- to be locked when class is in session...I could think of many more fixes that would slow down the likes of our Connecticut embecile that would allow for prepared emergency response from LEOs -- and that wouldn't even REQUIRE one person armed in the school.

    I'd actually be more for those fixes than having an armed person in the school whose job was to be utterly bored 99.999999999999% of the time and be expected to be a Ninja in a heartbeat.
    We could do that, but no one is really going to do that.
    At the end of the day, the inconvenient stuff doesn't happen.

    That's why the knee jerk response is a gun ban, it's politically convenient and gives the guise of doing something.
    When it does very little.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    We could do that, but no one is really going to do that.
    At the end of the day, the inconvenient stuff doesn't happen.

    That's why the knee jerk response is a gun ban, it's politically convenient and gives the guise of doing something.
    When it does very little.
    Couldn't agree more.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Well there is one little flaw in your argument Hans. No gun. No bullets, no mass killing.

    Wow, that was easy.

    See Canada. See Japan. See any civilized country with stricter gun controls.

    Next.
    That's the "NO BRAIN" anti gun response. Libs and their one dimensional world. Libs and their superficial intellects.

    Guns are here to stay, whether legal or illegal.

    So your best effort is to make them completely illegal in a Country of over 300 million, that doesn't protect it's Southern border and create a huge black market, create more crime and disarm law abiding citizens so THEY, not the thugs can be the new victims of gun violence by outlaws that don't adhere to the current gun laws already in place....

    Smart...

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There are plenty of retired marines and police officers who would gladly volunteer
    I don't see that happening. You get credit for being an optimist though.

    And there are still costs. Mental health exams. Training. Background checks. Equipment. Etc.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    It would appear that the liberals don't give one crap about solving the problem.

    Every federal building worth a hoot, many college campuses, every politician and big-shot worth a crap ... they have armed protection.

    But no. Not the children .... because "it'll cost too much". Meanwhile, Obama puts 17 million more folks on Food stamps. Seems that didn't "cost too much" !! He extended unemployment benefits enough to put a SWAT Team in every school !

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I don't see that happening. You get credit for being an optimist though.

    And there are still costs. Mental health exams. Training. Background checks. Equipment. Etc.
    They've already gone though all that being retired Police Officers and Marines.

    Gun Control doesn't work. The Justice Department under Clinton commissioned the University of PA to do a study. The conclusion is beyond refute.

    http://www.sas.upenn.edu/jerrylee/re..._final2004.pdf

    Guns are just a scapegoat for emotional reactionaries who want to take away Individual Rights. It's a mob tactic.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    It would appear that the liberals don't give one crap about solving the problem.
    I'm not sure how choosing an option that could create a vast number of unintended consequences is supposed to solve the problem. Usually solving a problem does not involve creating more problems.

    Every federal building worth a hoot, many college campuses, every politician and big-shot worth a crap ... they have armed protection.
    Which until the Connecticut shooting and subsequent gun debate were all government jobs that conservatives wanted to cut to reduce the size of the government and deficit but which have now apparantly become vitally important to national security.

    But no. Not the children .... because "it'll cost too much". Meanwhile, Obama puts 17 million more folks on Food stamps. Seems that didn't "cost too much" !! He extended unemployment benefits enough to put a SWAT Team in every school !
    I think you need to check your figures.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress
    The US has never implemented a countrywide restrictive gun control law of any significance. State and local restrictions are not a safe comparison since any one can simply drive a few miles and buy. There is also the problem of isolating for changes in gun laws. In other words, the claim you make is debatable.
    Actually, I believe that a compromise can be worked out. Limit high capacity clips, re-institute the assault weapons ban, and mandate background checks in all cases, including at gun shows. In addition, unless there are extraordinary circumstances, I believe a 3 day waiting period would be in order.

    I have been torn on this issue for quite some time, and up until a couple of days ago, was against any restrictions at all. But I have been forced to moderate my position after reading about what happened in Australia, which also used to have it's share of mass shootings. In 1995, the Australian government instituted exactly the laws I described in the preceding paragraph, after a mass shooting in a town there called, believe it or not, Newtown, in Tasmania. There has not been a single mass shooting since 1995, when the laws were enacted.

    For me, it is one thing to hold fast to a position, no matter what, and another to, based on actual evidence, to moderate my position. Based on what happened in Australia, I now believe gun violence, while not being eliminated here in the US, can be tamped down significantly.

    The way I see it now, the only reason someone should own an assault rifle with a high capacity clip to defend himself with is if he is an extremely horrible shot, in which case he has no business owning a gun at all. But he still has the Second Amendment on his side, and I pity those other people who are in his vicinity when he begins firing at a perpetrator. As for me, when he starts firing, I'm running for the hills. LOL.
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