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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    That is not a point. It is a fact.



    That is a "point". Japan has a "no gun" policy, which is not analogous to the US consideration of "gun control". Our version of "gun control" cannot work based on any results from Japan. A point I already made. Which you chose to ignore. Further, Japan has enormously lower crime rates in every catagory compared to us, where they have as much opportunity as us to commit such. That also deflates your "gun control" argument, as their homicide by knife rate is far lower then ours, yet they have access to such (not swords).



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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Not at all.



    We're rather fat on administrators right now; and they make pretty good pay. Simply turn some of those positions into First Responders, or hire veterans to fill those positions who have the ancillary duty of being a First Responder. You don't need active patrol in all schools (some you might); you simply need someone with the training and ability to put down a shooter before they kill too many.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea great idea putting armed military trained men/women with PTS syndrome in schools..... brilliant idea.
    would you have a problem with police officers in those positions?

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

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    So you would sacrafice education for an imagined problem. Well done!
    who do administrators educate?

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And you are still trying to read more into what I said that what I said. Hint: read my words, not what you want me to have written.
    No. A point you have not been able to back up.

    Further, Japan is not "gun control". It is essentially "no guns".

    A better analogy would be Switzerland, with about half the guns-per-capita as the US. Considering we have many folks with dozens of guns, I would suspect that their armed households per capita is even closer to ours.

    And their gun-crime rate is miniscule. It ain't the guns that need control.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would consider the automatic weapons ban to be fairly significant. It is a real departure from the original intent of the Second Amendment, which was drawn up in an era where private militia's owned cannon.
    So still being able to own 99% or so of guns is "fairly restrictive? Interesting.

    No, actually, the claim I make (that the higher rates of US violence remain if you remove gun violence from the picture) isn't. Americans are simply more violent across the spectrum than Britons or French or Japanese. Some excellent reading, if you are interested in the subject.
    Here is some fact based(ie not opinion like you like so much) reading: FactCheck.org : Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts

    Crime is down dramatically right now ó even in states that have not passed such laws. To prove causation, which Gohmertís statement implies, would require that those doing the study discern what would have happened if not for the law, and that is almost impossible to model.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

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    I laughed my ass off when I heard this. You simply can't polish a turd better than that!
    I'm assuming we'll also need them in day care centers, malls (every entrance), movie theaters, restaurants - hell, everywhere people gather. It's sort of the third world banana republic approach to life.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No. A point you have not been able to back up.

    Further, Japan is not "gun control". It is essentially "no guns".

    A better analogy would be Switzerland, with about half the guns-per-capita as the US. Considering we have many folks with dozens of guns, I would suspect that their armed households per capita is even closer to ours.

    And their gun-crime rate is miniscule. It ain't the guns that need control.
    Why, oh why are you still reading more into what I said that I actually said? Is this that hard?
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not hardly. You have yet to show that the two are similar to make a comparison. Nice try though.
    The claim that limiting/restricting/banning access to certain types of rifles because..

    A. It is not necessary to kill a deer with (re: Middleground's post)
    B. People use them for bad.
    C. I don't like them so its okay.

    Is justified is about equal to limiting/restricting/banning homo butt sex because.

    A. It is not necessary for procreation (the purpose of sex)
    B. Homo Butt Sex is used when committing violent acts of rape.
    C. I don't do it so its okay.


    In both cases, people enjoy both homo butt sex, and shooting semi-auto scary looking rifles.

    But in one case it is wrong to limit the freedoms of the people to do what they enjoy, even if it is only for recreation and not for a specific purpose. (Gay Sex..... Recreation only, no procreation)

    The other case it is okay to limit the freedoms of the people to do what they enjoy, even if it is only for recreation and not for a specific purpose (Scary Looking Gun Shooting..... Recreational Target shooting, no deer).

    In both cases people can do bad things....... and in both cases they serve no necessary purpose in life outside of enjoyment.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    would you have a problem with police officers in those positions?
    Not at all, because as we all know, there's nothing safer than having cops around engaging in firefights with gunmen.

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