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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Violence in the US is higher than other industrialized nations - and that rate does not change if you control for guns.
    Name the other wealthy nations that have more homicides than the US?
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The US has never implemented a countrywide restrictive gun control law of any significance.
    I would consider the automatic weapons ban to be fairly significant. It is a real departure from the original intent of the Second Amendment, which was drawn up in an era where private militia's owned cannon.

    State and local restrictions are not a safe comparison since any one can simply drive a few miles and buy. There is also the problem of isolating for changes in gun laws. In other words, the claim you make is debatable.
    No, actually, the claim I make (that the higher rates of US violence remain if you remove gun violence from the picture) isn't. Americans are simply more violent across the spectrum than Britons or French or Japanese. Some excellent reading, if you are interested in the subject.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Name the other wealthy nations that have more homicides than the US?
    You are apparently missing the point - the US has a higher gun homicide rate than everyone else. The US also has (as random examples) a higher baseball bat homicide rate than everyone else, a higher knife homicide rate than everyone else, a higher choking homicide rate than everyone else, a higher automobile homicide rate than everyone else.... Higher rates of violence rates in the United States are reflected in our gun numbers, but not driven by them.

    This notion some seem to have that "guns = violence" is a misnomer.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Like this a thousand times.



    We have 10% unemployment among our veterans.... and a whole bunch of schools who need trained responders who have a proven willingness to put themselves in danger for the sake of others. Sounds to me like we should let one problem solve another.
    Yea great idea putting armed military trained men/women with PTS syndrome in schools..... brilliant idea.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    NRA Newtown response: National program to place armed security in schools

    LaPierre in part blamed mass shootings on "vicious, violent video games" such as "Bulletstorm," "Grand Theft Auto," Mortal Kombat" and "Splatterhouse." He also reached back in time to place blame on movies like "American Psycho" and "Natural Born Killers" for portraying "life as a joke and murder as a way of life."

    He went on to say that congress should put armed officers in every school in America. Who'd a thunk that a lobby for gun manufacturing comes up with the solution that we need to sell more guns? What a shocker.

    Anywhoo... I find it interesting that he chose to put a stupidity rift on this issue between his lobbying for the gun manufacturing industry and the video game, movie and music industries. He made it appear as "Guns? it's not gu.... LOOK OVER THERE!"
    Anyone who doesn't see a problem w/more armed individuals in positions of power over young, cute children needs a psychiatrist immediately.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea great idea putting armed military trained men/women with PTS syndrome in schools..... brilliant idea.
    I find it difficult to fully express the disdain that this post deserves without incurring violations.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    It's abundantly clear that no one actually want's to talk about gun violence.
    people talk about gun violence all day long.....very little of it is productive.

    I won't take any gun banners seriously.. I won't take people seriously who blame the gun and not the person behind the trigger for his actions.
    stupid people are not high on my list of people to take seriously.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are apparently missing the point - the US has a higher gun homicide rate than everyone else. The US also has (as random examples) a higher baseball bat homicide rate than everyone else, a higher knife homicide rate than everyone else, a higher choking homicide rate than everyone else, a higher automobile homicide rate than everyone else.... Higher rates of violence rates in the United States are reflected in our gun numbers, but not driven by them.
    All the more reason not to give the violent bastards high capacity magazines made only for killing large numbers of people without reloading. Good point CP!!!

    Let the lazy pussies actually have to put some effort in their massacres.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    That'll shut-er up....
    Not hardly. You have yet to show that the two are similar to make a comparison. Nice try though.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Anyone who doesn't see a problem w/more armed individuals in positions of power over young, cute children needs a psychiatrist immediately.
    Oh for God's sake. They would be there to protect them, not have "power over them". I can't believe I just read that.
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