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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    have you read the posts on this board? lots of bitching about the NRA. DId you see all the insane loons protesting against the NRA on the news. why is it that almost every person demanding more gun control liberal or more left?
    Here's one entertaining reason:

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    Re: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I) I posted a government study demonstrating LESS THAN .7 percent (that is less than 7 in a thousand) convicted criminals stated they got a firearm from a GUN SHOW-most got them from friends and family or from the black market

    II) you constantly talk about 1.3 million people BEING DENIED a retail sale but you never deal with the fact that very FEW are ever prosecuted for PERJURY
    You know, ironically enough, under my state laws making a false statement under oath is not perjury. You have to make two irreconcilable statements both under oath to be convicted of that so as long as you stick with your lie even when it is proven a lie, you are okay. Attempting to commit a felony, which possession by a felon is, however would be the way to go on those cases though and if gun stores were required to keep surveillance videos (I assume most do anyway) it becomes not an attempt the second they touch the gun they want to purchase.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I) I posted a government study demonstrating LESS THAN .7 percent (that is less than 7 in a thousand) convicted criminals stated they got a firearm from a GUN SHOW-most got them from friends and family or from the black market

    II) you constantly talk about 1.3 million people BEING DENIED a retail sale but you never deal with the fact that very FEW are ever prosecuted for PERJURY
    Ah, you've taken your numbering of your opinions up a notch, to Roman Numerals!!!!

    Still doesn't change the ATF numbers I documented. And btw, I am all for increasing resources available to police enforcement for increased prosecutions for perjury. In order to be effective this will have to be a multi-pronged effort. That together with preventing gun show sales without a background check will significantly reduce the access to guns by criminals and crazies.
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    Re: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Ah, you've taken your numbering of your opinions up a notch, to Roman Numerals!!!!

    Still doesn't change the ATF numbers I documented. And btw, I am all for increasing resources available to police enforcement for increased prosecutions for perjury. In order to be effective this will have to be a multi-pronged effort. That together with preventing gun show sales without a background check will significantly reduce the access to guns by criminals and crazies.
    No it won't and you cannot prove that claim. Gun shows are a fairly recent (30 years or so) operation. Before 1982 or so, FFL dealers could NOT sell guns except at the address on their license It was the change in the regulations that allowed gun shows to flourish

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    Re: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    You know, ironically enough, under my state laws making a false statement under oath is not perjury. You have to make two irreconcilable statements both under oath to be convicted of that so as long as you stick with your lie even when it is proven a lie, you are okay. Attempting to commit a felony, which possession by a felon is, however would be the way to go on those cases though and if gun stores were required to keep surveillance videos (I assume most do anyway) it becomes not an attempt the second they touch the gun they want to purchase.

    I cannot dispute your comments about your state law. HOwever, under FEDERAL law lying on the 4473 is FEDERAL Perjury and it is a FELONY.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I cannot dispute your comments about your state law. HOwever, under FEDERAL law lying on the 4473 is FEDERAL Perjury and it is a FELONY.
    How many more ATF agents, FBI Agents, and Federal Prosecutors do you want to hire to go after everyone who gets rejected? Just curious....

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    Re: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    How many more ATF agents, FBI Agents, and Federal Prosecutors do you want to hire to go after everyone who gets rejected? Just curious....
    well when the idiotic war on drugs is jettisoned there will be plenty of LEOs who need work!!

    and it sure beats hiring all those new IRS agents to shake people down or the ATF agents to enforce the gun bans the Obamatards want

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