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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    two problems with that nonsense

    1) guns tracked is often based on political reasons and does not counter than cited often proof from the ATF and DOJ that less than 2% of guns used in crime come from gunshots

    2) as to the millions stopped

    that has been destroyed because if you are DENIED AFTER A BGC that means you LIED ON THE form 4473 and that is perjury (if you admit to being a felon etc they deny you the gun without doing the check)

    and if there were 1.8 million stopped there should have been 1.8 million indictments

    well hate to tell you. clinton made the claim of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS STOPPED yet when it turned out that ONLY 12 WERE PROSECUTED CLINTON stopped talking about it

    and if they were turned down and not prosecuted how do you know they didn't get a gun from another source

    does that remind YOU OF A RECENT KILLER who was denied a retail gun sale and managed to get guns from another source (like KILLING HIS MOTHER)

    sorry, and repeating the same lie over and over about a non existent loophole by citing far left anti gun extremist organizations doesn't cut it

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    does that remind YOU OF A RECENT KILLER who was denied a retail gun sale and managed to get guns from another source (like KILLING HIS MOTHER)
    Or someone who laid in wait and asassinated firemen as the neighborhood burned to the ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    two problems with that nonsense

    1) guns tracked is often based on political reasons and does not counter than cited often proof from the ATF and DOJ that less than 2% of guns used in crime come from gunshots

    2) as to the millions stopped

    that has been destroyed because if you are DENIED AFTER A BGC that means you LIED ON THE form 4473 and that is perjury (if you admit to being a felon etc they deny you the gun without doing the check)

    and if there were 1.8 million stopped there should have been 1.8 million indictments

    well hate to tell you. clinton made the claim of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS STOPPED yet when it turned out that ONLY 12 WERE PROSECUTED CLINTON stopped talking about it

    and if they were turned down and not prosecuted how do you know they didn't get a gun from another source

    does that remind YOU OF A RECENT KILLER who was denied a retail gun sale and managed to get guns from another source (like KILLING HIS MOTHER)

    sorry, and repeating the same lie over and over about a non existent loophole by citing far left anti gun extremist organizations doesn't cut it


    I cite statistics from the Department of the Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms, and you offer only your unsubstantiated lame ass opinions. But at least you numbered your lame ass opinions eh? Thanks for playing!
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    Re: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I cite statistics from the Department of the
    Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco
    & Firearms, and you offer only your unsubstantiated lame ass opinions. But at least you numbered your lame ass opinions eh? Thanks for playing!
    I use to do Commercial HVAC repair and once got called out to what I thought was a empty strip bussiness center in North Houston. No signs, no cars.

    But I noticed multpile Cameras and pulled in their parking lot. A tall guy with a badge clipped to his belt oppened one of their garage doors and motioned me to dtive in.

    It was the a ATF office filled with agents and FULLY AUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS.

    They even had an armory with pallets of banana clips being delivered in and amunition.

    The agent was friendly enough and gave me a tour and we talked pistols.

    I just couldn't fathom why they would need such access to so many high powered fully automatic weapons.

    So our Federal Govts armed to the teeth for some reason and I hate conspiracies.

    We the people have rights under our Constitution to prevent something like Cambodia 1970 from happening to us.

    That and to keep Obama voters thinking twice about the next home they invade.

    And you guys are just going to have to accept that.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I use to do Commercial HVAC repair and once got called out to what I thought was a empty strip bussiness center in North Houston. No signs, no cars.

    But I noticed multpile Cameras and pulled in their parking lot. A tall guy with a badge clipped to his belt oppened one of their garage doors and motioned me to dtive in.

    It was the a ATF office filled with agents and FULLY AUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS.

    They even had an armory with pallets of banana clips being delivered in and amunition.

    The agent was friendly enough and gave me a tour and we talked pistols.

    I just couldn't fathom why they would need such access to so many high powered fully automatic weapons.

    So our Federal Govts armed to the teeth for some reason and I hate conspiracies.

    We the people have rights under our Constitution to prevent something like Cambodia 1970 from happening to us.

    That and to keep Obama voters thinking twice about the next home they invade.

    And you guys are just going to have to accept that.

    So you have nothing to refute the statistics I provided?
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    Re: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I use to do Commercial HVAC repair and once got called out to what I thought was a empty strip bussiness center in North Houston. No signs, no cars.

    But I noticed multpile Cameras and pulled in their parking lot. A tall guy with a badge clipped to his belt oppened one of their garage doors and motioned me to dtive in.

    It was the a ATF office filled with agents and FULLY AUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS.

    They even had an armory with pallets of banana clips being delivered in and amunition.

    The agent was friendly enough and gave me a tour and we talked pistols.

    I just couldn't fathom why they would need such access to so many high powered fully automatic weapons.

    So our Federal Govts armed to the teeth for some reason and I hate conspiracies.

    We the people have rights under our Constitution to prevent something like Cambodia 1970 from happening to us.

    That and to keep Obama voters thinking twice about the next home they invade.

    And you guys are just going to have to accept that.
    I used to be Chief Engineer in a highrise that had ATF on the 10th floor and the D.E.A on the 11th. I was always in and out of there. I have seen some NICE weaponry they have confiscated. I remember them once pushing in a HUGE Waste Management dumpster FULL of brand new rifles of all sorts. The DEA brought in some pretty nice evidence too. LOL!

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    Re: NRA Newtown response [W:818]

    I actually agree with the lunatic fringe on this one. I see no problem with background checks at gun shows, unless you already have a CC or are a member of the military/police etc. I mean if we have background checks for buying from a dealer, why would a gun show make any difference?

    I mean this will not do anything to private sales, but gun shows? One booth set up to do nothing but background checks like any police agency can do. Only takes a few minutes. I just don't see a problem.

    PS the moment this background check becomes some kind of registration, I would be against it. A background check is one thing. A database of legal gun owners is another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Good point.
    Police associations thought it was OK to use water cannons on people peacefully demonstrating for their civil rights.
    Good enough for Catawaba, I guess.

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    excellent point. the anti gun extremists tried to prove that the clinton gun bans actually helped. they couldn't. not one study was able to show that the clinton gun bans stopped any crime.
    I'm curious why it appears that you consider everyone who is pro gun control an "extremist"? It seems like every reference you make in your posts to people who disagree with your point of view is labeled an extremist, ignorant, a pussy, etc. How come?
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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    So then what is it? I've traveled the world for many, many years for my job and I find it hard to comprehend why Americans are so violent. Any insights?
    Clearly no short answer. But here goes.

    1) We are a country born of violence. Not so much the Revolutionary or Civil Wars, but rather we expanded westward for about 250 years in a constant war against the Native Americans. The frontier was always violent, and I think that the root of our gun culture. Every inch of our expansion westward, starting in MA and VA in the 1600's, was done gun in hand of at least every male aged 12 or above. The highest loss of American life, as a percentage of our population at the time, in any war, is still King Philips War.

    2) Capitalism. As much as I love it, it creates losers. Those who cannot compete. Some turn to crime. Politicians fomenting class warfare does not help.

    3) Our ignorance in keeping recreational drugs illegal, incarcerating so many folks who never should have been, creating career criminals.

    That's my big 3.
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