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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You'd think they never paid attention to the war on drugs.
    But they LIKE drugs.

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    Speaking of drugs, since so many more people (including children) died from drugs in 2009 year as opposed to firearms in the US, I suppose we should definitely keep them illegal and never even CONSIDER legalizing them, especially since there is absolutely nothing stated in the Constitution about the "right to do drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its amazing to see you swallow the lines from police bureaucrats but in 1996 Janet Reno commissioned a massive poll of the police over the brady bill and the AWB. The results were suppressed because the results indicated 92% of the police thought the waiting period was worthless and 88% thought the AWB was a joke as well

    police associations tend to be run by big city bureaucrats who are beholden to big city mayors
    Sorry to hear you have such a low opinion of the police. I have a similar low opinion of the unsubstantiated claims by self interested, anonymous internet posters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Speaking of drugs, since so many more people (including children) died from drugs in 2009 year as opposed to firearms in the US, I suppose we should definitely keep them illegal and never even CONSIDER legalizing them, especially since there is absolutely nothing stated in the Constitution about the "right to do drugs."
    actually legalizing drugs would probably get rid of lots of the violent crime

    its funny that those who understand this fact seem to thing banning guns won't lead to the same problems caused by the silly war on drugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Sorry to hear you have such a low opinion of the police. I have a similar low opinion of the unsubstantiated claims by self interested, anonymous internet posters.
    So why did you post a claim about a police opinion that was not substantiated?

    I like 99% of the cops

    the bureaucrats pretending to be cops who run those associations-not so much

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually legalizing drugs would probably get rid of lots of the violent crime

    its funny that those who understand this fact seem to thing banning guns won't lead to the same problems caused by the silly war on drugs
    I agree and of course I was being facetious. Just trying to give some people a hard time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I agree and of course I was being facetious. Just trying to give some people a hard time.
    telling the truth is often giving a hard time to those who don't like facts

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    So why did you post a claim about a police opinion that was not substantiated?

    I like 99% of the cops

    the bureaucrats pretending to be cops who run those associations-not so much
    A recent poll conducted by John Zogby and Mark Mellman of 800 people around the country (before the events of Sept. 11) reported that 86 percent of Americans and 78 percent of gun owners support background checks at gun shows. Many lawmakers are afraid to tackle the gun-safety issue because of the threats and thunder from the gun lobby, but the citizens of this country are ready for a responsible approach to gun ownership.

    "Like Senate Bill 890, the Castle-McCarthy bill would require background checks at gun shows and would crack down on gun crime without interfering with the operation of gun shows or infringing on the freedom of law-abiding Americans to buy and sell guns. Already a coalition is forming to support this congressional legislation to close the gun-show loopholes. The National Association of Police Organizations (230,000 law enforcement officers), the National Education Association (2.3 million members), the National League of Cities (18,000 cities, towns and villages), 21 state gun-safety groups (thousands of gun safety activists) and the Million Mom March have endorsed this legislation.

    HCGP - Texas Gun Show Loophole
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A recent poll conducted by John Zogby and Mark Mellman of 800 people around the country (before the events of Sept. 11) reported that 86 percent of Americans and 78 percent of gun owners support background checks at gun shows. Many lawmakers are afraid to tackle the gun-safety issue because of the threats and thunder from the gun lobby, but the citizens of this country are ready for a responsible approach to gun ownership.

    "Like Senate Bill 890, the Castle-McCarthy bill would require background checks at gun shows and would crack down on gun crime without interfering with the operation of gun shows or infringing on the freedom of law-abiding Americans to buy and sell guns. Already a coalition is forming to support this congressional legislation to close the gun-show loopholes. The National Association of Police Organizations (230,000 law enforcement officers), the National Education Association (2.3 million members), the National League of Cities (18,000 cities, towns and villages), 21 state gun-safety groups (thousands of gun safety activists) and the Million Mom March have endorsed this legislation.

    HCGP - Texas Gun Show Loophole
    feel good idiocy. less than 2% of guns used in crime come from gun shows and that figure doesn't say if the guns were purchased pursuant to a BGI.

    citing gorups like the NEA (dem organ) the NLC(Dem organ) and the million moron march (LOL astro turf created by a Clinton operative ) means nothing to me

    from your cite from the GREEN PARTY


    Each year roughly 4,500 gun shows are held in the United States, yet there is no federal law requiring background checks for private sales of guns. Texas leads the list with 486 gun shows annually, and, as with many other states, has no state law requiring background checks for people buying guns from unlicensed dealers. This loophole has made gun shows the second leading source of illegal firearms recovered in gun-trafficking investigations, according to federal law enforcement.

    GUESS WHAT IT IS ILLEGAL TO BE AN UNLICENSED DEALER so your cite is a LIE

    private sellers are NOT dealers

    if they are they are in violation of federal laws

    Private sellers aren't required to do BGCs at gun shows or in their homes or in the gun club parking lot

    FAIL

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    Re: NRA Newtown response

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    feel good idiocy. less than 2% of guns used in crime come from gun shows and that figure doesn't say if the guns were purchased pursuant to a BGI.

    citing gorups like the NEA (dem organ) the NLC(Dem organ) and the million moron march (LOL astro turf created by a Clinton operative ) means nothing to me

    from your cite from the GREEN PARTY


    "Gun shows were a major trafficking channel, involving the second highest number of trafficked guns per investigation." (p. xi)
    Following the Gun: Enforcing Federal Laws Against Firearms Traffickers," Department of the Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms (June 2000)

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    Each year roughly 4,500 gun shows are held in the United States, yet there is no federal law requiring background checks for private sales of guns. Texas leads the list with 486 gun shows annually, and, as with many other states, has no state law requiring background checks for people buying guns from unlicensed dealers. This loophole has made gun shows the second leading source of illegal firearms recovered in gun-trafficking investigations, according to federal law enforcement.

    GUESS WHAT IT IS ILLEGAL TO BE AN UNLICENSED DEALER so your cite is a LIE

    private sellers are NOT dealers

    if they are they are in violation of federal laws

    Private sellers aren't required to do BGCs at gun shows or in their homes or in the gun club parking lot

    FAIL

    A primer for TurtleDude and others uniformed about the gun show loophole:

    "To date, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) has prevented nearly 1.8 million criminals and other prohibited purchasers from buying guns. The law also has a deterrent effect—prohibited purchasers are less likely to try to buy guns when they know comprehensive background check requirements are in place.

    Unfortunately, current federal law requires criminal background checks only for guns sold through licensed firearm dealers, which account for just 60% of all gun sales in the United States. A loophole in the law allows individuals not “engaged in the business” of selling firearms to sell guns without a license—and without processing any paperwork. That means that two out of every five guns sold in the United States change hands without a background check.

    Though commonly referred to as the “Gun Show Loophole,” the “private sales” described above include guns sold at gun shows, through classified newspaper ads, the Internet, and between individuals virtually anywhere.

    Unfortunately, only six states (CA, CO, IL, NY, OR, RI) require universal background checks on all firearm sales at gun shows. Three more states (CT, MD, PA) require background checks on all handgun sales made at gun shows. Seven other states (HI, IA, MA, MI, NJ, NC, NE) require purchasers to obtain a permit and undergo a background check before buying a handgun. Florida allows its counties to regulate gun shows by requiring background checks on all firearms purchases at these events. 33 states have taken no action whatsoever to close the Gun Show Loophole."

    Gun Show Loophole - Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
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