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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You are arguing a chicken before the egg. Is it the voters fault for voting in the representatives that give them free stuff, or is it the fault of the representatives for giving into the demands of the voters over what's best for the country?
    Easy answer, YES, read my post #47
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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Exactly. Cutting (or not raising) taxes is popular, and saving entitlements is popular. Thus all congress critters will do both, which means continued massive deficit spending. We are fast becomming like Greece, but are far, far "too big to bail". USA, USA, USA...
    Don't disagree there, however it isn't just entitlements that are the problem it is also wasteful defense spending. Take a look at all the military projects out there that have either not gone anywhere or the results are less effective than current technology.

    There is wasteful spending EVERYWHERE and not just in entitlements and defense spending, but earmarks and congressional spending as well outside those things.

    The whole government is bloated to the point it's leaking money everywhere to worthless endeavors.

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Easy answer, YES, read my post #47
    So the representatives bear no responsibility? BTW, there is also wasteful spending OUTSIDE of entitlements, there is wasteful congressional spending such as earmarks and defense as well.

    Reform is needed EVERYWHERE.

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

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    Don't disagree there, however it isn't just entitlements that are the problem it is also wasteful defense spending. Take a look at all the military projects out there that have either not gone anywhere or the results are less effective than current technology.

    There is wasteful spending EVERYWHERE and not just in entitlements and defense spending, but earmarks and congressional spending as well outside those things.

    The whole government is bloated to the point it's leaking money everywhere to worthless endeavors.
    You will never get an argument from me stating otherwise. The problem is that all current gov't spending is supported by campaign cash and powerful lobbying groups, that either "own" or heavily influence each of the congress critters. DC is all about "cooperation" and "deals"; you support my pork and I'll support your pork. Nothing can change without someone getting the axe (i.e. a solid majority of one party being placed in control), and the current balance of power does not allow the "vulnerable" members (of either party) to sit it out, they must vote "correctly" or take that assured beating, in their next election, if they do not go along with what is now being spent.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So the representatives bear no responsibility? BTW, there is also wasteful spending OUTSIDE of entitlements, there is wasteful congressional spending such as earmarks and defense as well.

    Reform is needed EVERYWHERE.
    I totally agree, but it's not going to happen. The representatives have the same mind set as those that voted him/her in office. This is tax, borrow, spend and breebees, and that is the majority of the populous that love a Welfare / Nanny State. This dependence on government is now rooted into our society and it will not change. From the end of WWII we have been on an endless march of enacting entitlements and freebees. We are now beginning to eat our own flesh.
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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nothing can change without someone getting the axe (i.e. a solid majority of one party being placed in control), and the current balance of power does not the "vulnerable" members (of either party) to take that assured beating, in their next election, if they do not go along with what is now being spent.
    And that has shown not to work either, with just one side in power that side just continues to spend on what THEY want to spend on.

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And that has shown not to work either, with just one side in power that side just continues to spend on what THEY want to spend on.
    That is not necessarily so, just that no public pressure currently forces either party to stop the spending madness. They both sit back and wait for the other party to commit polictical suicide by cutting something "sacred" to their campaign cash flow. We see spending cuts (or at least spending priority changes) at all gov't levels below the federal, since they cannot print/borrow money like the feds can - they actually have to "pay for" spending (so far).
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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

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    That is not necessarily so, just that no public pressure currently forces either party to stop the spending madness. They both sit back and wait for the other party to commit polictical suicide by cutting something "sacred" to their campaign cash flow. We see spending cuts (or at least spending priority changes) at all gov't levels below the federal, since they cannot print/borrow money like the feds can - they actually have to "pay for" spending (so far).
    One word, Obamacare. That was the result of one side being in complete control.

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    One word, Obamacare. That was the result of one side being in complete control.
    Exactly, but with absolutely no push to "pay for" it, we no longer even have federal "budgets". The moronic public actually believes that you can add 30 to 45 million people that will get gov't subsidized "private" medical care insurance, increase the "no out of pocket cost" care to all and, somehow, save money too. As long as people see only some "ficticious" (unreal?) deficit/debt number, yet rest assured that they (personally) will never be forced to repay it, then the borrowing and spending will go on "forever". It is the public that fell off the "logical cliff" which allows this belief in a gov't supplied "free lunch" to exist.
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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Exactly, but with absolutely no push to "pay for" it, we no longer even have federal "budgets". The moronic public actually believes that you can add 30 to 45 million people that will get gov't subsidized "private" medical care insurance, increase the "no out of pocket cost" care to all and, somehow, save money too. As long as people see only some "ficticious" (unreal?) deficit/debt number, yet rest assured that they (personally) will never be forced to repay it, then the borrowing and spending will go on "forever". It is the public that fell off the "logical cliff" which allows this belief in a gov't supplied "free lunch" to exist.
    And that is just one example from one side. Hence why I don't want one side to be in power. You can add that mentality to defense spending, earmarks, congressional perks, etc.

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