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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Never read an obamas tweet have you ?...but since you made a failed attempt at insult...let me say this...you need to go read whats actually going on and stop just putting out what you want it to be, thats why all those republicans were shocked stunned and shat themselves when they got their asskicked during the election...they just happily and dumbly just lalala'd around believing whatever it was they wanted to....The gop is in trouble many republican experts agree and are TELLING THEM they need to re invent the brand...they cannot give the perception anymore they are the part of the rich for the rich attack the middle class...now go read and find out for yourself.
    Obama won reelection because he successfully marketed to the pop culture. He was elected by people who do not understand the long term effects of his policies and believed when he told them that it would be the OTHER guy who was going to pay for everything. The real shame of it is that there are enough people out there who are either so selfish, clueless, or spiteful that they voted for a guy who is going to raise their taxes and drag the recession out for years. This fiscal cliff and tax increase for everyone is not about revenue. There isn't even a budget, how can we know what income needs to be if we don't know what is being spent where? No, this deal is about driving up costs and keeping unemployment at a balance, high enough to make more people dependent on government but low enough to prevent a revolt. I firmly believe Obama is doing what he thinks is right, it just not what many others think is right. He is growing the government and expanding dependency on it which increases the power of government for the long term. It's not about us, it's about power. And he is doing it by appealing to a large portion of the population that lacks the thought process to be able to see what the effects will be.

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No, because they, along with the republicants, will simply "undo" the tax increase; the "Bush" rates will become the "Obama" rates for the 80%, or whatever the demorats decide is "fair". The problem is that both parties are still allowing taxation to be decoupled from spending, thus assuring a continued huge federal deficit and likely credit rating downgrade/interest rate increase.
    That is already a sure thing, if Obama gets the tax increases he wants he will only have to borrow 1.1 trillion a yr. Deficits at least for the next 4 yrs will be a trillion plus a yr.
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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Unless the GOP put forward the tax cut bill prior to the Democrats.
    That's true, however, I think if the Dems are going to let the tax cuts expire they probably already have a bill in the works to whip out.

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Actually your precious GOP is idiotically falling into the hands of Obama. With the automatic tax increase happening after a "fiscal cliff" (which it really isn't since we fell off it years ago), all the Dems have to do is propose a tax decrease (like the GOP so called agrees with) on the middle and lower class.

    If the GOP doesn't go along with a tax decrease, they look like liars and will soon be voted out. If the GOP goes along with it, they will be doing what Obama wants.

    The GOP is in a lose/lose scenario. This country is failing because people will not stop serving their Dem/Rep Masters.
    The country is failing becuase they want "free stuff" (gov't spending far in excess of actual taxation). Both the republicants and demorats (all congress critters) are on board with this "popular" idea. Look at any poll and you see two opposite things are wanted, lower taxes (possibly except for other richer folks) and more (or no less) gov't spending on their favorite stuff (entitlements).
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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    That logic doesn't make much sense. Would the rest of the cliff deal still be in place, or would that tax vote negate the entire cliff deal?
    The rest of it would be in place, however, if the Dems use the excuse of "See, the Republicans didn't want to work with us on anything so now we are at least going to give the middle class and lower class a tax cut like we wanted to".

    The blame would be shifted to the GOP and the Dems would come out looking like they are working "for the people".

    Of course, people that keep up on politics should know by now the Dem/Rep just continue to fail this country.

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The country is failing becuase they want "free stuff" (gov't spending far in excess of actual taxation). Both the republicants and demorats (all congress critters) are on board with this "popular" idea. Look at any poll and you see two opposite things are wanted, lower taxes (possibly except for other richer folks) and more (or no less) gov't spending on their favorite stuff.
    You are arguing a chicken before the egg. Is it the voters fault for voting in the representatives that give them free stuff, or is it the fault of the representatives for giving into the demands of the voters over what's best for the country?

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Obama won reelection because he successfully marketed to the pop culture. He was elected by people who do not understand the long term effects of his policies and believed when he told them that it would be the OTHER guy who was going to pay for everything. The real shame of it is that there are enough people out there who are either so selfish, clueless, or spiteful that they voted for a guy who is going to raise their taxes and drag the recession out for years. This fiscal cliff and tax increase for everyone is not about revenue. There isn't even a budget, how can we know what income needs to be if we don't know what is being spent where? No, this deal is about driving up costs and keeping unemployment at a balance, high enough to make more people dependent on government but low enough to prevent a revolt. I firmly believe Obama is doing what he thinks is right, it just not what many others think is right. He is growing the government and expanding dependency on it which increases the power of government for the long term. It's not about us, it's about power. And he is doing it by appealing to a large portion of the population that lacks the thought process to be able to see what the effects will be.
    Exactly, this country has flipped, from self dependency and taking responsibility to one of government dependence and freebees. We are now solidly a Welfare / Nanny State, that can't be reversed because of the majorities dependence on government. And it will be those same dependent on government who will screaming in the streets "I demand my entitlements" when the money runs out.
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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So what you're saying is what's wrong with America is that Representatives within a Representative Democracy are Representing their consituency? One of the primary point of the HOR is that these people are SUPPOSED to be watching out for their little district. That podunk county in North Dakota has someone representing and voting on what best represents their views and helps them, not necessarily just going along with what would work best for San Francisco California, Harrisonburg Virginia, Dallas Texas, or Grand Rapids Michigan. THOSE places have their own representatives to push for that.

    The reason it's "not working" as well now as when invisioned is because the Federal Government has massively expanded beyond it's purpose
    I think those Repub representatives are lobbying for the 1% and that is a damn small constituency and they are not allowed bragging rights to this. They have to pretend that they are representing the middle class.

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You are arguing a chicken before the egg. Is it the voters fault for voting in the representatives that give them free stuff, or is it the fault of the representatives for giving into the demands of the voters over what's best for the country?
    Exactly. Cutting (or not raising) taxes is popular, and saving entitlements is popular. Thus all congress critters will do both, which means continued massive deficit spending. We are fast becomming like Greece, but are far, far "too big to bail". USA, USA, USA...
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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So what you're saying is what's wrong with America is that Representatives within a Representative Democracy are Representing their consituency? One of the primary point of the HOR is that these people are SUPPOSED to be watching out for their little district. That podunk county in North Dakota has someone representing and voting on what best represents their views and helps them, not necessarily just going along with what would work best for San Francisco California, Harrisonburg Virginia, Dallas Texas, or Grand Rapids Michigan. THOSE places have their own representatives to push for that.

    The reason it's "not working" as well now as when invisioned is because the Federal Government has massively expanded beyond it's purpose
    I have to disagree. The propaganda and misinformation out there often times have people voting against their interests. The wealth gap has concentrated more power at the top. I think it's safe to say that our Founders didn't envision the corruption of money in politics in more ways than one. These representatives need to bring home Federal dollars to their districts. You can't expect the Federal govt. to hand them money and not have some sort of control.
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