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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Do you even do any research or do you just blindly follow Obama's tweets?
    That's what liberals do, blindly follow their Marxist leaders.

    It'll be fun to listen to what Rush Limbaugh has to say about Democrats and the fiscal cliff today. I can't wait.

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    That's what liberals do, blindly follow their Marxist leaders.

    It'll be fun to listen to what Rush Limbaugh has to say about Democrats and the fiscal cliff today. I can't wait.
    Actually your precious GOP is idiotically falling into the hands of Obama. With the automatic tax increase happening after a "fiscal cliff" (which it really isn't since we fell off it years ago), all the Dems have to do is propose a tax decrease (like the GOP so called agrees with) on the middle and lower class.

    If the GOP doesn't go along with a tax decrease, they look like liars and will soon be voted out. If the GOP goes along with it, they will be doing what Obama wants.

    The GOP is in a lose/lose scenario. This country is failing because people will not stop serving their Dem/Rep Masters.

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Actually your precious GOP is idiotically falling into the hands of Obama. With the automatic tax increase happening after a "fiscal cliff" (which it really isn't since we fell off it years ago), all the Dems have to do is propose a tax decrease (like the GOP so called agrees with) on the middle and lower class.

    If the GOP doesn't go along with a tax decrease, they look like liars and will soon be voted out. If the GOP goes along with it, they will be doing what Obama wants.

    The GOP is in a lose/lose scenario.
    Wouldn't the Dems then have to admit that increasing taxes will cause a recession? Isn't that contrary to their mantra?

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Wouldn't the Dems then have to admit that increasing taxes will cause a recession? Isn't that contrary to their mantra?

    Nope, they will claim that the tax cuts for the rich did it and that's why they let the Bush tax cuts expire so they could then get a tax cuts for the middle and lower class passed.

    Not saying any of that is correct, but it's a win/win for the Dems and a lose/lose for the GOP.

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    To me this entire election and these negotiations reenforce what ive felt along time..politicians being elected to national office once they get there dont have to do whats right for the country...only what their little district wants them to do to enable them to win re election..and thats WHATS WRONG WITH WASHINGTON...if they all had to answer to all americans then they would be more tuned into whats good for the country to get re elected than just their little district
    So what you're saying is what's wrong with America is that Representatives within a Representative Democracy are Representing their consituency? One of the primary point of the HOR is that these people are SUPPOSED to be watching out for their little district. That podunk county in North Dakota has someone representing and voting on what best represents their views and helps them, not necessarily just going along with what would work best for San Francisco California, Harrisonburg Virginia, Dallas Texas, or Grand Rapids Michigan. THOSE places have their own representatives to push for that.

    The reason it's "not working" as well now as when invisioned is because the Federal Government has massively expanded beyond it's purpose
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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Nope, they will claim that the tax cuts for the rich did it and that's why they let the Bush tax cuts expire so they could then get a tax cuts for the middle and lower class passed.

    Not saying any of that is correct, but it's a win/win for the Dems and a lose/lose for the GOP.
    Unless the GOP put forward the tax cut bill prior to the Democrats.
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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Nope, they will claim that the tax cuts for the rich did it and that's why they let the Bush tax cuts expire so they could then get a tax cuts for the middle and lower class passed.

    Not saying any of that is correct, but it's a win/win for the Dems and a lose/lose for the GOP.
    That logic doesn't make much sense. Would the rest of the cliff deal still be in place, or would that tax vote negate the entire cliff deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Unless the GOP put forward the tax cut bill prior to the Democrats.
    And wouldn't they have to, since it involves revenue and must start in the house?

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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Wouldn't the Dems then have to admit that increasing taxes will cause a recession? Isn't that contrary to their mantra?
    No, because they, along with the republicants, will simply "undo" the tax increase; the "Bush" rates will become the "Obama" rates for the 80%, or whatever the demorats decide is "fair". The problem is that both parties are still allowing taxation to be decoupled from spending, thus assuring a continued huge federal deficit and likely credit rating downgrade/interest rate increase.
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    Re: Boehner Cancels Tax Vote in Face of G.O.P. Revolt

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    If the Heritage Foundation says so...

    People pay into those programs expecting benefits to be paid out upon eligibility. It's not a handout. Partisan hack word play doesn't change that the GOP wants to reneg on that promise.
    This is a short list of entitlements, which ones do people pay into?

    United States Government Entitlement Programs:

    Home Mortgage Interest Deduction
    Hope or Lifetime Learning Tax Credit
    Student Loans / Forgiveness
    Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit
    Earned Income Tax Credit
    Social Security--Retirement & Survivors
    Pell Grants
    Unemployment Insurance
    Veterans Benefits
    G.I. Bill
    Medicare
    Head Start
    Social Security Disability
    SSI--Supplemental Security Income
    Medicaid
    Welfare/Public Assistance
    Government Subsidized Housing
    Food Stamps
    Medicaid
    Liberals - Punish the Successful, Reward the Unsuccessful
    Liberals - Tax, Borrow, Spend, and Give Free Stuff
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    Re: Plan B' Vote Spiked In House In Major Setback For Boehner

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No, because they, along with the republicants, will simply "undo" the tax increase; the "Bush" rates will become the "Obama" rates for the 80%, or whatever the demorats decide is "fair". The problem is that both parties are still allowing taxation to be decoupled from spending, thus assuring a continued huge federal deficit and likely credit rating downgrade/interest rate increase.
    Which of course does nothing to prevent the continued trillion/yr deficits, nor the debt ceiling in February. Yet another round of kick the can.

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