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G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes[W: 414]

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No, in fact.

But it's rather comical that conservatives want to now give Democrat "credit" for Bush's fiasco in Iraq and Reaghanistan

Please stop making a fool of yourself, the cost of the wars are in the 10.6 trillion dollar debt that Obama inherited, it is 16.3 trillion now with no Iraq and rising. That is liberalism, ignoring reality.
 
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It's smaller than the WWII debt which like all military spending is dead weight on the economy. We came out of that problem with growth (not tax cuts for the wealthy and not austerity). We can do the same thing now, since the problem is not as acute and despite the total wasteful spending by Bush on Iraq and Afghanistan, at least Obama has invested in infrastructure. Borrowing money cheap in a recession and repairing and modernizing infrastructure results in higher productivity faster when the recession's effects end.

So Obama did the right thing in not panicking and going the failed austerity route. Just ask the UK, with their double dip recession (which may go triple dip) and Germany with its lame .5 percent economic growth.

The empricial data is in: austerity is a failure. Obama's Keynesian route has been vindicated (again). Get used to it.

So your belief is in a large central govt. providing cradle to grave coverage? How is that working out for Europe?
 
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I just showed you almost two $trillion in budget cuts/tax increasse and you say im inna dream world.When your not dodgen your a real hoot con. :lamo
Could you point out the budget lines from year to year to point out the budget cuts?
 
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There are no budget cuts, the budget is higher this year than last year and higher last year than the year before. I suggest you seek some help because you really need it. Any projected budget cuts haven't happened yet and are a drop in the bucket. 1.5 trillion over 10 years is 150 billion a year so instead of a 1.2 trillion deficit it will still be over a trillion dollars. Keep buying the liberal rhetoric and one day you will grow up and realize what a fool Obama made out of you.

WELlll...the dough saved by not engaging in the war is at a minimum $250 billion a year,times ten years. EUREKA! if we can MANAGE go ten years without invading a country were home free with $2.5 trillion bucks.Plus we got the top 2% kicking in $600 billion.HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN.:monkey
 
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WELlll...the dough saved by not engaging in the war is at a minimum $250 billion a year,times ten years. EUREKA! if we can MANAGE go ten years without invading a country were home free with $2.5 trillion bucks.Plus we got the top 2% kicking in $600 billion.HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN.:monkey
In other words, there were no cuts.

Have you considered the difference between raising tax rates and collecting the taxes? People can, and do, change their behavior when threatened. I predict that way less will be collected in the first year and less than the first year in the second year. I would not be surprised of less tax revenues are collected as a result of this Marxist theft.
 
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In other words, there were no cuts.

Have you considered the difference between raising tax rates and collecting the taxes? People can, and do, change their behavior when threatened. I predict that way less will be collected in the first year and less than the first year in the second year. I would not be surprised of less tax revenues are collected as a result of this Marxist theft.

I would consider $250 billion a year for not putting any of our troops in harms way a win win.But then i,m not blessed with your ability to gaze into the future.
 
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I would consider $250 billion a year for not putting any of our troops in harms way a win win.But then i,m not blessed with your ability to gaze into the future.
Show me the cuts. Show me the prior year budget lines and then show me the following year's budget lines. Stop blowing smoke and pointing mirrors.
You do not have my abilities because you do not have my level of wisdom.

There is no shame in it. If you live long enough to grow out of your liberalism you may discover it.
 
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WELlll...the dough saved by not engaging in the war is at a minimum $250 billion a year,times ten years. EUREKA! if we can MANAGE go ten years without invading a country were home free with $2.5 trillion bucks.Plus we got the top 2% kicking in $600 billion.HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN.:monkey

GW Bush negotiated the status of forces agreement that Obama implemented but your comments show exactly how little you know about the budget process. We have a deficit of over a trillion dollars a year and in fact Obama deficits have averaged over 1.2 trillion a year for his first term. If we were still in Iraq the deficit would have been 1.4 trillion so what you want to call a savings isn't really a savings at all. Please show me exactly what Obama cut by posting the budget of the United States so I can see the difference in line items?

Why not take credit for not having a war with Canada? More savings!! Eureka!!
 
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GW Bush negotiated the status of forces agreement that Obama implemented but your comments show exactly how little you know about the budget process. We have a deficit of over a trillion dollars a year and in fact Obama deficits have averaged over 1.2 trillion a year for his first term. If we were still in Iraq the deficit would have been 1.4 trillion so what you want to call a savings isn't really a savings at all. Please show me exactly what Obama cut by posting the budget of the United States so I can see the difference in line items?

Why not take credit for not having a war with Canada? More savings!! Eureka!!


Perhaps you overlooked this in my previous post, i will post it again as well as go into it in more debt.

<DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE BUDGET FOR FY 2001>

<Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen today released details of President Clinton's Fiscal Year (FY) 2001 defense budget. The budget requests $291.1 billion in budget authority and $277.5 billion in outlays for the Department of Defense (DoD). >

< The President's 2012 Budget for the Department of Defense (DOD) reflects that commitment, proposing $553 billion >


President Clinton's 2001 defense budget(prewar budget)=$291.1 billion

President Obamas 2012 defense budget (Afghan war budget)=$553 billion


$553 billion minus- $291.1 billion=$261.1 billionx ten years=??? Plus add whats left of the war in Iraq war to the equation and were talking real savings.Then of course we have the pittance the top one % of our society kicked in...and, its off to the monkey dance for the dems and into history with the whigs for the reps.:monkey
 
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Perhaps you overlooked this in my previous post, i will post it again as well as go into it in more debt.

<DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE BUDGET FOR FY 2001>

<Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen today released details of President Clinton's Fiscal Year (FY) 2001 defense budget. The budget requests $291.1 billion in budget authority and $277.5 billion in outlays for the Department of Defense (DoD). >

< The President's 2012 Budget for the Department of Defense (DOD) reflects that commitment, proposing $553 billion >


President Clinton's 2001 defense budget(prewar budget)=$291.1 billion

President Obamas 2012 defense budget (Afghan war budget)=$553 billion


$553 billion minus- $291.1 billion=$261.1 billionx ten years=??? Plus add whats left of the war in Iraq war to the equation and were talking real savings.Then of course we have the pittance the top one % of our society kicked in...and, its off to the monkey dance for the dems and into history with the whigs for the reps.:monkey

What you fail to recognize again is total budget of the United States and the debt. Neither of which matter to you since Obama is in the WH. Deficits per year are over a trillion dollars, there are no spending cuts and our current debt exceeds our yearly GDP. Printing and borrowing money are going to cost the American people significantly and Obama has no plans to put 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers back to work full time paying taxes.

Your total ignorance of the budget process, debt, and deficit are quite telling. Here are the line item budget items so please show me which line item expense is less this year than last? In addition please note the debt service and tell me how that helps the American people?

Expenses (2011)

Defense 708.3
International Affairs 45.7
Gen. Science, Space 30.4
Energy 12.1
Natural resources/env 43.3
Agriculture 22.6
Commerce/Housing Cr -13.8
Transportation 93.2
Community Dev 24.9
Education/Train/Social 98.0
Health 372.7
Medicare 485.7
Income Security 599.3
Social Security 730.8
Veterans Benefits 127.2
Justice 56.7
General Govt. 20.7
Net Interest 227.1


Total 3684.9
 
Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

She has not testified yet. Has she? I am not admitting that she will testify. I am acknowledging that she is scheduled to testify.
I also look at here record when she has testified in the past.
Ok so when she testifies will you admit how wrong you were?

How are you?
Good. And yourself?
 
Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

What you fail to recognize again is total budget of the United States and the debt. Neither of which matter to you since Obama is in the WH. Deficits per year are over a trillion dollars, there are no spending cuts and our current debt exceeds our yearly GDP. Printing and borrowing money are going to cost the American people significantly and Obama has no plans to put 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers back to work full time paying taxes.

Your total ignorance of the budget process, debt, and deficit are quite telling. Here are the line item budget items so please show me which line item expense is less this year than last? In addition please note the debt service and tell me how that helps the American people?

Expenses (2011)

Defense 708.3
International Affairs 45.7
Gen. Science, Space 30.4
Energy 12.1
Natural resources/env 43.3
Agriculture 22.6
Commerce/Housing Cr -13.8
Transportation 93.2
Community Dev 24.9
Education/Train/Social 98.0
Health 372.7
Medicare 485.7
Income Security 599.3
Social Security 730.8
Veterans Benefits 127.2
Justice 56.7
General Govt. 20.7
Net Interest 227.1


Total 3684.9

And here would be your number, sans war) ten years from 2011, all things being the same.

$total=$2911.00. you can also deduct $600 billion from that number,per year, starting in 2013 for the tax increases on the affluent.That brings it to...:shock:
 
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And here would be your number, sans war) ten years from 2011, all things being the same.

$total=$2911.00. you can also deduct $600 billion from that number,per year, starting in 2013 for the tax increases on the affluent.That brings it to...:shock:

Tax increases are not spending cuts and tax increases don't put 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers back to work. When you grow up you will understand that. In addition you love throwing aroudn what you think are big numbers but 600 billion over 10 years doesn't make a dent in the yearly deficit. Obama sure has exactly what he wants in people like you.
 
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Tax increases are not spending cuts and tax increases don't put 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers back to work. When you grow up you will understand that. In addition you love throwing aroudn what you think are big numbers but 600 billion over 10 years doesn't make a dent in the yearly deficit. Obama sure has exactly what he wants in people like you.

united-states-debt-as-a-percentage-of-gdp-19402012_50290c7b3f0c4_w906.jpg


I Hey OM, remember we were talking about the debt when i resurrected this dead thread.

Stopping the war and the “the tax increases on the affluent "that they were so kind as to kick into the pot played old hyde with the debt didn't it?

I can see your concern though; when the populace sees the debt being reduced by dems and looks at the only viable option, the reps; what do they see there? Voter suppression, self deport the brown people and if women get pregnant when raped they shoulda pushed the hidden anti pregnant button.Not much else in the bag of tricks that I can see, maybe rush,the drugster can come up with something to save the grand ole party.:peace
 
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united-states-debt-as-a-percentage-of-gdp-19402012_50290c7b3f0c4_w906.jpg


I Hey OM, remember we were talking about the debt when i resurrected this dead thread.

Stopping the war and the “the tax increases on the affluent "that they were so kind as to kick into the pot played old hyde with the debt didn't it?

I can see your concern though; when the populace sees the debt being reduced by dems and looks at the only viable option, the reps; what do they see there? Voter suppression, self deport the brown people and if women get pregnant when raped they shoulda pushed the hidden anti pregnant button.Not much else in the bag of tricks that I can see, maybe rush,the drugster can come up with something to save the grand ole party.:peace

This is a waste of time as facts don't matter to you, the fourth largest expense to the taxpayer is debt service and "your" President has added more debt in 4 years than any other President in History added in 8. There are 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers not paying much in Federal Income Taxes yet you believe 60 billion a year is the answer? There is nothing brilliant in your argument as once again you show how intellectually dishonest you and all other liberals are.

There are no cuts proposed by this President nor is there any plan to put those 23 million back to work full time. You either have a job or are on your parent's payroll thus no interest in actually solving the problems we have today. Raise taxes, increase spending, become more dependent on the Federal Govt. seems to be right out of the liberal playbook. One of these days you are going to realize just what a fool liberalism has made out of you.
 
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This is a waste of time as facts don't matter to you, the fourth largest expense to the taxpayer is debt service and "your" President has added more debt in 4 years than any other President in History added in 8. There are 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers not paying much in Federal Income Taxes yet you believe 60 billion a year is the answer? There is nothing brilliant in your argument as once again you show how intellectually dishonest you and all other liberals are.

There are no cuts proposed by this President nor is there any plan to put those 23 million back to work full time. You either have a job or are on your parent's payroll thus no interest in actually solving the problems we have today. Raise taxes, increase spending, become more dependent on the Federal Govt. seems to be right out of the liberal playbook. One of these days you are going to realize just what a fool liberalism has made out of you.




I showed you how we can cut the debt down to size but you keep attempting to derail on to our nations unemployed and assorted ADD HOM’s about my parent’s payroll. Whatcha think about the money we will NOT BE SPENDING on the Afghan war?WHATCHA think we should be doing with the $600 hundred bill per year that the top % so graciously have given us?

By the way,from my profile.

Issue time: 04-27-08 09:48 PM
Issue reason: in marine corps from 6/66-7/70

.....my parents died some time ago.Note the bolded part.Guess where i was while you were getting settled into your cubicle on the CORP ladder?:peace
 
Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

I showed you how we can cut the debt down to size but you keep attempting to derail on to our nations unemployed and assorted ADD HOM’s about my parent’s payroll. Whatcha think about the money we will NOT BE SPENDING on the Afghan war?WHATCHA think we should be doing with the $600 hundred bill per year that the top % so graciously have given us?

By the way,from my profile.

Issue time: 04-27-08 09:48 PM
Issue reason: in marine corps from 6/66-7/70

.....my parents died some time ago.Note the bolded part.Guess where i was while you were getting settled into your cubicle on the CORP ladder?:peace

Just goes to show that with age doesn't come any basic understanding of debt, deficit, or in your case liberalism. Not spending money on the Afghanistan war will be great but will be offset by the loss of tax revenue as those returning soldiers don't have jobs to return to or the 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers still not paying much in Federal Income taxes. Keep buying the liberal rhetoric, keep believing that our debt is due to the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars. Obama and the other liberal elites love having people like you buying their bull****.

600 billion a year that you are going to extract from the rich? Where do you get that information? It is 600 billion over 10 years, 60 billion a year. Again, just goes to show how brainwashed you are.
 
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Just goes to show that with age doesn't come any basic understanding of debt, deficit, or in your case liberalism. Not spending money on the Afghanistan war will be great but will be offset by the loss of tax revenue .

What loss of tax revenue? Military personal in a combat zone do not pay income taxes.

Combat Zone Tax Exclusions | Military.com
 
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Conservative;1061371082. Not spending money on the Afghanistan war will be great but will be offset by the loss of tax revenue as those returning soldiers don't have jobs to return to or the 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers still not paying much in Federal Income taxes. Keep buying the liberal rhetoric said:
Like Winston stated troops IN combat zones pay no federal taxes.The biggest driver of our debt is the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq,and the 01 and 03 wrongheaded tax cuts in the middle of said wars, plus Medicare prescription drug benefits.According to Bloomberg News those boondoggles added $3.4 trillion to our nation’s debt.
 
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What loss of tax revenue? Military personal in a combat zone do not pay income taxes.

Combat Zone Tax Exclusions | Military.com

Wow, so all those soldiers coming home, leaving the military, and looking for jobs then would be just like those in combat zones, not paying any FIT? Brilliant analysis. You people are absolutly amazing, naive, gullible, and very poorly informed.

By the way do you have any idea where the money comes from to fund the military and those salaries? How much are the 47% on non income tax paying public pay for those expenses?
 
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Like Winston stated troops IN combat zones pay no federal taxes.The biggest driver of our debt is the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq,and the 01 and 03 wrongheaded tax cuts in the middle of said wars, plus Medicare prescription drug benefits.According to Bloomberg News those boondoggles added $3.4 trillion to our nation’s debt.

Wrong, the biggest drivers of our debt is govt. spending on entitlements something you wil never understand. Further like all liberals you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to the govt. but I don't see you sending extra to the govt.

You better tell the Treasury Dept that tax cuts are an expense to the govt. because they show taxes as revenue and any revenue reduction isn't an expense. Further how much do those 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers pay in FIT?
 
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Your total ignorance of the budget process, debt, and deficit are quite telling. Here are the line item budget items so please show me which line item expense is less this year than last? In addition please note the debt service and tell me how that helps the American people?

Expenses (2011)

Defense 708.3
International Affairs 45.7
Gen. Science, Space 30.4
Energy 12.1
Natural resources/env 43.3
Agriculture 22.6
Commerce/Housing Cr -13.8
Transportation 93.2
Community Dev 24.9
Education/Train/Social 98.0
Health 372.7
Medicare 485.7
Income Security 599.3
Social Security 730.8
Veterans Benefits 127.2
Justice 56.7
General Govt. 20.7
Net Interest 227.1


Total 3684.9
If you think those are "line-items", you have exactly no clue whatsoever.
 
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If you think those are "line-items", you have exactly no clue whatsoever.

Better tell that to the Treasury Dept because they disagree with you and obviously have no idea how much smarter than you are than they when it comes to the budget of the United States.

Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service
 
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If you think those are "line-items", you have exactly no clue whatsoever.

Do people like you ever admit when wrong on any subject? What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty that depends on a massive central govt. to provide that so called "free lunch" to you?
 
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