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G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes[W: 414]

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So boehner tries to show the reps are willing to act like adults and compromise, though it really wasn't much of a compromise at all, leaving the blame on the dems for being the babies in all of this, Obama counters with a compromise to show like always he is willing to compromise with the reps. Then Boehner does the same trick again trying to pass the ball back to obama before christmas, and his own party screws him over saying we will never compromise and we will be seen as the problem except to our solid and deteriorating base. It seems the last election did not do a thing to educate many fo the republicans and they are just going to keep walking their extremist line.

once again republicans prove they are the party of the wealthy and greedy and will accept no alternatives but the cliff. It will be a fun new year when their military spending gets slashed and we get a harshly balanced budget that they will hate. I guess Boehner is one fo the few republicans who wants to have a majority next election. At this rate we are looking at a dem congress in 2014.
 
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Sounds good to me.

The right thing to do is for the House Republicans to pass a bill with substantial tax and spending cuts. Then depart and leave the One and his minions in the Senate to decide what to do.

If the House had caved on tax increases it would have been the end of the Republican party. If the Republican party chooses not to stand on principal they might as well be Democrats. With any good fortune this will be the end of Boehner and Cantor.

yeah, because that worked so well last election. the country that told you to be moderate is really just waiting for the republicans to go more right so we can get a worthwhile party to replace them. That sounds about right to me.
 
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Actually, it looks as if it hasn't. That is why it is a good day and a great evening. Boehner's planned sell-out was to occur this evening. There are men and women of principle and courage in the House of Representatives after all.

So Boehner and Cantor need to be stripped of their power and relegated to the cloak room.

Given that this is about taking a principled standing you might not understand it. I think it is the best news we have had in a month. We might save this Republic yet! If we need someone to hold our coats I will call you, okay?

Don't get all superior, the reps will either cave or they will go over the cliff and take the blame for not compromising at all. people are sick of their bull, and last election showed it. only a small vocal minority wants this partisan bull, and now they get to take the blame because obama has clearly compromised, and all the lies in the world are not going to cover that up come the cliff. Those in your party who want re-election will cave, and that will give the dems what they need.

You guys just love the losing thing. it helps your victim narrative so much
 
Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

Actually, it looks as if it hasn't. That is why it is a good day and a great evening. Boehner's planned sell-out was to occur this evening. There are men and women of principle and courage in the House of Representatives after all.

So Boehner and Cantor need to be stripped of their power and relegated to the cloak room.

Given that this is about taking a principled standing you might not understand it. I think it is the best news we have had in a month. We might save this Republic yet! If we need someone to hold our coats I will call you, okay?

Those $800 Billion in defense cuts are not enough to save us, but they are a start. I'd like that doubled.
 
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Too funny. I watched on Bloomberg his speech, where he said "when this bill passes in the House later today" LOL!
 
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Those $800 Billion in defense cuts are not enough to save us, but they are a start. I'd like that doubled.


Could you detail where you would take those cuts from specifically?
 
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yeah, because that worked so well last election. the country that told you to be moderate is really just waiting for the republicans to go more right so we can get a worthwhile party to replace them. That sounds about right to me.
It worked well enough that the Republicans retained the House.
The difficult part is defeating Santa Claus. Republicans in the House can do it through the power of the budget. The House needs ty systematically defund the left and the leftists. Boehner and Cantor have to go. They are not the team to do it. They are low principled politicians. We need principled, conservative leaders.
 
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Don't get all superior, the reps will either cave or they will go over the cliff and take the blame for not compromising at all. people are sick of their bull, and last election showed it. only a small vocal minority wants this partisan bull, and now they get to take the blame because obama has clearly compromised, and all the lies in the world are not going to cover that up come the cliff. Those in your party who want re-election will cave, and that will give the dems what they need.

You guys just love the losing thing. it helps your victim narrative so much
Neither you nor Boehner understand how much power the Republicans have. The House can drive the national narrative. If the Republicans cave as Boehner attemted to force them to do the Republican party will never again see power nor have an opportunity to govern. If the Republican party passes a responsible budget, which I understand they have then it is up to the Senate and what's his name in the White House to take the next step.

I do not believe the election showed much of anything except that more than half of all democrats and about one-fourth of Republicans (we call these Establishment Republicans) have positive views of the most tyrannical form of government - Socialism.

As far as what's his name's compromise there was no compromise. Nice try though - being all dictator-like and all.
 
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Those $800 Billion in defense cuts are not enough to save us, but they are a start. I'd like that doubled.
Whatever. I imagine you prefer the nation defenseless. I am sure what is uppermost in many democrats minds is "how will the cliff impact my government handouts?"
 
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Neither you nor Boehner understand how much power the Republicans have. The House can drive the national narrative. If the Republicans cave as Boehner attemted to force them to do the Republican party will never again see power nor have an opportunity to govern. If the Republican party passes a responsible budget, which I understand they have then it is up to the Senate and what's his name in the White House to take the next step.

I do not believe the election showed much of anything except that more than half of all democrats and about one-fourth of Republicans (we call these Establishment Republicans) have positive views of the most tyrannical form of government - Socialism.


As far as what's his name's compromise there was no compromise. Nice try though - being all dictator-like and all.

One branch of Govt. is not supposed to govern. The House's duty is to find compromises that can move the country forward. They have failed at their duty again. They will be voted out in 2014.
 
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Looks like the bohner screwed the pooch this time. What the hell,its only a speed bump that the media has labeled a fiscal cliff anyway.

<WASHINGTON – House Republican leaders abruptly pulled their fallback tax bill from the floor Thursday night, conceding that they did not have the votes to pass it.>

< The struggle to win Republican support for a measure that would allow income taxes to rise on a sliver of the top one percent of taxpayers telegraphed a grave decision for the speaker.>


< House Republican leadership aides made clear that if the bill passes, the speaker believes the next move will have to come from Senate Democrats and the president. Senate Democrats could simply take up and pass the House bill or amend it more to their liking and send it back to the House.>

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/us/politics/house-moves-toward-vote-on-boehners-backup-plan.html?hp&_r=0

I think that ousting some of the committee chairmen hurt Boehner and they will not back any plan that he supports.
 
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Whatever. I imagine you prefer the nation defenseless. I am sure what is uppermost in many democrats minds is "how will the cliff impact my government handouts?"

Yes because any defense cuts means people want the nation defensless. :roll:
 
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One branch of Govt. is not supposed to govern. The House's duty is to find compromises that can move the country forward. They have failed at their duty again. They will be voted out in 2014.
It does not surprise me that you have no understanding about our system of national governance. The House is not to be a rubber stamp for the President. They are a check upon the tyranny of the presidency.

Believe as you wish. I am proud that the Tea Party Conservatives are men and women of courage and principle. Given your lean it makes sense that you do not recognize either.

I hope that last night's victory signalled a revolt by the Tea Party Conservatives that will sweep Boehner and Cantor from power. I hope that last night was signal that Republicans will no longer go along with the massive theft this president is executing against the future generations of Americans who do not yet have a voice.

If they are voted out as you believe then it does signal that this nation's future has been checkmated.

My view is the opposite. Last night's victory by Tea Party Conservatives gives me great hope for our future. You can come along for the ride if you like. Unlike what's his name in the White House we won't make you sit in the back of the bus.
 
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Yes because any defense cuts means people want the nation defensless. :roll:
So you believe that on top of the 400 plus billion in current cuts plus the additional (what is it 800 billion cuts) that doubling those will not leave the nation defenseless?

Awesome.
 
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So you believe that on top of the 400 plus billion in current cuts plus the additional (what is it 800 billion cuts) that doubling those will not leave the nation defenseless?

Awesome.

No, we will not be "defensless". Join the military and learn something will you?
 
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No, we will not be "defensless". Join the military and learn something will you?
I served in the US Army for twenty years. How about you?
 
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It does not surprise me that you have no understanding about our system of national governance. The House is not to be a rubber stamp for the President. They are a check upon the tyranny of the presidency.

Believe as you wish. I am proud that the Tea Party Conservatives are men and women of courage and principle. Given your lean it makes sense that you do not recognize either.

I hope that last night's victory signalled a revolt by the Tea Party Conservatives that will sweep Boehner and Cantor from power. I hope that last night was signal that Republicans will no longer go along with the massive theft this president is executing against the future generations of Americans who do not yet have a voice.

If they are voted out as you believe then it does signal that this nation's future has been checkmated.

My view is the opposite. Last night's victory by Tea Party Conservatives gives me great hope for our future. You can come along for the ride if you like. Unlike what's his name in the White House we won't make you sit in the back of the bus.

Enjoy those T's while they last. They are at the end of their rope and their fates are sealed.
 
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I served in the US Army for twenty years. How about you?

Same, we wouldn't be defensless if those cuts happen. With many of the pork projects that are done in the name of defense spending such as an aircraft that is less effective than what it was supposed to replace. Why do we need more carriers? We don't.

There are lots of things that can be cut without making us defensless (which is hyperbole).
 
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Enjoy those T's while they last. They are at the end of their rope and their fates are sealed.
I suppose we will find out. Won't we.

Fighting and dying on our feet is far better than living in servitude on our knees.
 
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Same, we wouldn't be defensless if those cuts happen. With many of the pork projects that are done in the name of defense spending such as an aircraft that is less effective than what it was supposed to replace. Why do we need more carriers? We don't.

There are lots of things that can be cut without making us defensless (which is hyperbole).
You don't for a moment think the directed "Green" parts of the defense budget will be cut do you? These are real cuts. We will have fewer Navy ships, less steaming time, we will have fewer Air Force flying squadrons with less flying time. We will have fewer Marines and less training time. We will have fewer Army Brigade Combat Teams and less training time.

Yes. I completely disagree with your moment of sunshine. I lived through the Carter years and the peace dividend cuts of the Clinton years. Both hollowed out the military. Both caused deep, sustained damage to our ability to defend the nation. We paid for it the way we always pay for it. We paid in soldiers blood.
 
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Everything needs to be on the table to get us out of this deficit. Not one issue should be omitted.

Social Welfare and Defense Spending needs to be slashed. Unfortunately, taxes must go up to help revenue.

There is no reason to have an 800 Billion annual budget on defense. None at all. We are far and away the biggest spenders on defense. It is far too much and we should cap it at around 200 Billion in the next five years.

Fact is that we are in some dire straights here fiscally. We are all going to have to come to a realization that if we don't put everything on the table for cuts...we won't fix this problem.

Foreign aid should be frozen immediately. We shouldn't give money to other nations while ours is in a deficit. I would love for that to be a constitutional amendment.

We have to reduce the size and scope of government. There are far bureaucracies spending billions that we don't have, and that will come full circle one day.

We cannot continue this path without facing real consequences such as hyper inflation.
 
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You don't for a moment think the directed "Green" parts of the defense budget will be cut do you? These are real cuts. We will have fewer Navy ships, less steaming time, we will have fewer Air Force flying squadrons with less flying time. We will have fewer Marines and less training time. We will have fewer Army Brigade Combat Teams and less training time.

Yes. I completely disagree with your moment of sunshine. I lived through the Carter years and the peace dividend cuts of the Clinton years. Both hollowed out the military. Both caused deep, sustained damage to our ability to defend the nation. We paid for it the way we always pay for it. We paid in soldiers blood.

A "hollowed out" military that fought 2 wars simultaneously? We spend over 60% of our budget on the military and it needs to stop. We are not the worlds policeman.
 
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You don't for a moment think the directed "Green" parts of the defense budget will be cut do you? These are real cuts. We will have fewer Navy ships, less steaming time, we will have fewer Air Force flying squadrons with less flying time. We will have fewer Marines and less training time. We will have fewer Army Brigade Combat Teams and less training time.

Yes. I completely disagree with your moment of sunshine. I lived through the Carter years and the peace dividend cuts of the Clinton years. Both hollowed out the military. Both caused deep, sustained damage to our ability to defend the nation. We paid for it the way we always pay for it. We paid in soldiers blood.


OMG the hyperbole from you is astounding. You act as though we are going to go down to ONE carrier, ONE fighter aircraft, etc.

The defense budget is NOT A BLANK CHECK. There HAS to be cuts. Are you seriously saying that there should be NO cuts to defense spending?
 
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A "hollowed out" military that fought 2 wars simultaneously? We spend over 60% of our budget on the military and it needs to stop. We are not the worlds policeman.
There is a timeline issue. Some things can be improved by an infusion of cash. I can remember having 10 training bullets per soldier per quarter. One does not remain proficient with one's weapons firing three rounds per month.

Let's see. What is the total budget today? This was interesting: "Military spending: The military budget of the United States during FY 2011 was approximately $740 billion in expenses for the Department of Defense (DoD), $141 billion for veteran expenses, and $48 billion in expenses for the Department of Homeland Security, for a total of $929 billion.[37] The U.S. defense budget (excluding spending for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Homeland Security, and Veteran's Affairs) is around 5% of GDP. Adding these other costs places defense spending between 6% and 7% of GDP. "

Our government is spending 25% of GDP. Defense is 20-24% of the budget not 60%. You are uninformed or given your lean you may be using liberal math, a form of math I am uncomfortable with.
 
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OMG the hyperbole from you is astounding. You act as though we are going to go down to ONE carrier, ONE fighter aircraft, etc.

The defense budget is NOT A BLANK CHECK. There HAS to be cuts. Are you seriously saying that there should be NO cuts to defense spending?

There have already been cuts. Real cuts. Let's match the Defense Departments real cuts will real cuts across all government agencies and departments. Then let's talk again.
 
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