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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Those $800 Billion in defense cuts are not enough to save us, but they are a start. I'd like that doubled.

    Could you detail where you would take those cuts from specifically?
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    yeah, because that worked so well last election. the country that told you to be moderate is really just waiting for the republicans to go more right so we can get a worthwhile party to replace them. That sounds about right to me.
    It worked well enough that the Republicans retained the House.
    The difficult part is defeating Santa Claus. Republicans in the House can do it through the power of the budget. The House needs ty systematically defund the left and the leftists. Boehner and Cantor have to go. They are not the team to do it. They are low principled politicians. We need principled, conservative leaders.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Don't get all superior, the reps will either cave or they will go over the cliff and take the blame for not compromising at all. people are sick of their bull, and last election showed it. only a small vocal minority wants this partisan bull, and now they get to take the blame because obama has clearly compromised, and all the lies in the world are not going to cover that up come the cliff. Those in your party who want re-election will cave, and that will give the dems what they need.

    You guys just love the losing thing. it helps your victim narrative so much
    Neither you nor Boehner understand how much power the Republicans have. The House can drive the national narrative. If the Republicans cave as Boehner attemted to force them to do the Republican party will never again see power nor have an opportunity to govern. If the Republican party passes a responsible budget, which I understand they have then it is up to the Senate and what's his name in the White House to take the next step.

    I do not believe the election showed much of anything except that more than half of all democrats and about one-fourth of Republicans (we call these Establishment Republicans) have positive views of the most tyrannical form of government - Socialism.

    As far as what's his name's compromise there was no compromise. Nice try though - being all dictator-like and all.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Those $800 Billion in defense cuts are not enough to save us, but they are a start. I'd like that doubled.
    Whatever. I imagine you prefer the nation defenseless. I am sure what is uppermost in many democrats minds is "how will the cliff impact my government handouts?"

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Neither you nor Boehner understand how much power the Republicans have. The House can drive the national narrative. If the Republicans cave as Boehner attemted to force them to do the Republican party will never again see power nor have an opportunity to govern. If the Republican party passes a responsible budget, which I understand they have then it is up to the Senate and what's his name in the White House to take the next step.

    I do not believe the election showed much of anything except that more than half of all democrats and about one-fourth of Republicans (we call these Establishment Republicans) have positive views of the most tyrannical form of government - Socialism.


    As far as what's his name's compromise there was no compromise. Nice try though - being all dictator-like and all.
    One branch of Govt. is not supposed to govern. The House's duty is to find compromises that can move the country forward. They have failed at their duty again. They will be voted out in 2014.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Looks like the bohner screwed the pooch this time. What the hell,its only a speed bump that the media has labeled a fiscal cliff anyway.

    <WASHINGTON House Republican leaders abruptly pulled their fallback tax bill from the floor Thursday night, conceding that they did not have the votes to pass it.>

    < The struggle to win Republican support for a measure that would allow income taxes to rise on a sliver of the top one percent of taxpayers telegraphed a grave decision for the speaker.>


    < House Republican leadership aides made clear that if the bill passes, the speaker believes the next move will have to come from Senate Democrats and the president. Senate Democrats could simply take up and pass the House bill or amend it more to their liking and send it back to the House.>

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/us/politics/house-moves-toward-vote-on-boehners-backup-plan.html?hp&_r=0
    I think that ousting some of the committee chairmen hurt Boehner and they will not back any plan that he supports.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Whatever. I imagine you prefer the nation defenseless. I am sure what is uppermost in many democrats minds is "how will the cliff impact my government handouts?"
    Yes because any defense cuts means people want the nation defensless.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    One branch of Govt. is not supposed to govern. The House's duty is to find compromises that can move the country forward. They have failed at their duty again. They will be voted out in 2014.
    It does not surprise me that you have no understanding about our system of national governance. The House is not to be a rubber stamp for the President. They are a check upon the tyranny of the presidency.

    Believe as you wish. I am proud that the Tea Party Conservatives are men and women of courage and principle. Given your lean it makes sense that you do not recognize either.

    I hope that last night's victory signalled a revolt by the Tea Party Conservatives that will sweep Boehner and Cantor from power. I hope that last night was signal that Republicans will no longer go along with the massive theft this president is executing against the future generations of Americans who do not yet have a voice.

    If they are voted out as you believe then it does signal that this nation's future has been checkmated.

    My view is the opposite. Last night's victory by Tea Party Conservatives gives me great hope for our future. You can come along for the ride if you like. Unlike what's his name in the White House we won't make you sit in the back of the bus.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes because any defense cuts means people want the nation defensless.
    So you believe that on top of the 400 plus billion in current cuts plus the additional (what is it 800 billion cuts) that doubling those will not leave the nation defenseless?

    Awesome.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    So you believe that on top of the 400 plus billion in current cuts plus the additional (what is it 800 billion cuts) that doubling those will not leave the nation defenseless?

    Awesome.
    No, we will not be "defensless". Join the military and learn something will you?

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