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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    LOL! No, they do not disagree with me, you simply don't know what you are talking about. The Combined Statement does not include line-item detail. Tables 4 and 5 in the MTS do not include line-item detail. Line-item is a budget-accounting term and construct. You have misused it in a vain attempt to appear knowledgeable.
    Line item details are under the line item. Absolutely amazing that you continue to show your ignorance. Defense is a line item, under defense are a lot of sub categories. You don't seem to comprehend the difference. the bottonline is all those subcategories make up Defense and add up to the total line item in the budget. We never were talking detail only the total for the individual line item which is made up of the subcategories.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

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    Do people like you ever admit when wrong on any subject?
    Certainly, but it doens't happen often, and hasn't here.

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    What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty that depends on a massive central govt. to provide that so called "free lunch" to you?
    Well, thanks to a rather lucrative 40+ year career as an economist running the K Street-PA Avenue-Capitol Hill gauntlet, I'm not in need of depending on much of anything at this point. My family would appear set for generations.

    Meanwhile, how is it that any right-winger can look around at the simple facts of the real world and still be one?

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Certainly, but it doens't happen often, and hasn't here.


    Well, thanks to a rather lucrative 40+ year career as an economist running the K Street-PA Avenue-Capitol Hill gauntlet, I'm not in need of depending on much of anything at this point. My family would appear set for generations.

    Meanwhile, how is it that any right-winger can look around at the simple facts of the real world and still be one?
    You don't want simple facts for if you did you would see a 16.3 trillion dollar debt, over 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, a President who is going to spend us into oblivion and has no interest in lowering the debt for that is the way liberals get people like you. You become dependent on the govt. and then continue to elect the same arrogant liberals over and over again.

    I see no evidence that you ever ran anything for if you ran your business like the govt. you would be bankrupt. Maybe a govt. bailout has bought your loyalty.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

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    So you believe working people earning an income owe nothing to fund the govt. that benefits them?
    People who do not OWE taxes do not PAY taxes. More than 20% of those who OWE no taxes are students who file a 1040 just to get back the taxes that were withheld from their summer or other part-time jobs. Another 25% OWE no taxes because their personal exemptions and standard deduction reduce their taxable income to zero. Do YOU use either of those to reduce YOUR taxable income?

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    Apparently you have no problem with the other 51% funding the entire Federal Govt. including military salaries and the debt service on the debt run up by that govt. all in the name of compassion?
    LOL! Individual income taxes covered a little less than 32% of federal outlays in FY 2012. By the way, that scary debt service of yours was lower in FY 2012 than it was in FY 1998.

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    I do suggest that you learn what your taxes fund rather than quoting the old liberal standby of state and local taxes. I gave you the line items in the Federal Budget along with the link showing those line items but as usual you ignored the link, the line items, as well as the amount of money that funded those line items.
    Pathetic. Federal income taxes are progressive because other federal txaes and state and local taxes are so highly regressive. Summary headings are not line-items, and the Combined Statement is not the budget.

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    Please show me the trillions in savings Obama has proposed?
    What would THAT be relevant to?

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Cardinal Fang;1061372822]People who do not OWE taxes do not PAY taxes. More than 20% of those who OWE no taxes are students who file a 1040 just to get back the taxes that were withheld from their summer or other part-time jobs. Another 25% OWE no taxes because their personal exemptions and standard deduction reduce their taxable income to zero. Do YOU use either of those to reduce YOUR taxable income?
    If people earn anything they owe something for the govt. that they get benefits from. No income earning American should ever have a zero net income tax burden. Instead of going after those evil rich people get something from income earners paying nothing in FIT


    LOL! Individual income taxes covered a little less than 32% of federal outlays in FY 2012. By the way, that scary debt service of yours was lower in FY 2012 than it was in FY 1998.
    Zero interest rates are helping keep the debt service lower but I would have thought an economic genius like you would know that.


    Pathetic. Federal income taxes are progressive because other federal txaes and state and local taxes are so highly regressive. Summary headings are not line-items, and the Combined Statement is not the budget.
    Federal Income taxes fund the Federal Govt. or didn't you know that? Today we have a 3.8 trillion dollar budget that isn't funded by state or local taxes. We have a spending problem thanks to liberalism not a revenue problem


    What would THAT be relevant to?

    The claim of Obama's that he has proposed trillions in spending cuts

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

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    If people earn anything they owe something for the govt. that they get benefits from. No income earning American should ever have a zero net income tax burden. Instead of going after those evil rich people get something from income earners paying nothing in FIT
    People who pay no income tax pay taxes

    But you already knew that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It really is hard dealing with people like you who have no concept of basic economics and math. Do you realize that the so called surplus in SS and Medicare is made up mostly of IOU's? How do those IOU's get funded?
    The old "worthless IOU's" gag-line? Gee, for a moment there, I thought you might turn out to be more of challenge than that. One of those rare occasions when I have to admit how wrong I was. Do you meanwhile have any idea what school districts do with the cash proceeds of school bond sales? They spend them for school purposes, that's what. And what do corporations do with the cash proceeds of corporate bond sales? Why, they spend them for corporate purposes. So what do you think governments do with the cash proceeds of government bond sales? Any idea at all? Would you in fact agree that no rational person would ever issue debt unless he in fact already had in mind a purpose to which the cash proceeds could very quickly be put?

    As for worthless, US Treasury securities, are the safest, most secure investment vehicle in the history of the world. They are in fact the standard against which the safety and security of every other investment vehicle is measured. Didn't you know that? The Social Security Trust Fund is meanwhile just another investor when it comes to US Treasury securities. The full faith and credit of the United States Government stands behind every penny's worth of scheduled principal and interest, whether the investor is SSTF, the government of China, or your batty old Aunt Fanny.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    As for taxes being mandatory? You are so busy being envious of the rich that you ignore the income earning Americans that pay zero. Further you have no concept of what your taxes fund nor the ability to move from state to state to avoid paying higher state taxes. Your economic and understanding of the role of govt. and purpose of the various taxes ignorance is staggering.
    My taxes might very well exceed your income. And despite idiot right-wing claims that millionaires flee places like Oregon, Maryland, and NYC in droves in order to avoid paying a few extra cents in income taxes, nobody with actual money actually does that at all. The numbers that clownies base their claims on result from those who were just above the millionaire line before the Great Bush Recession having fallen beneath it as the result of that catastrophe. The GBR really did a number on people who had been relying on capital gains, you know. In the real world that hacks prefer not to think about, the wealthy didn't get that way overnight and they are heavily invested in the roots they have put down over the years -- the vast and profitable networks of business, social, cultural, religious, educational, and charitable contacts they have brought together over many years. You are apparently so gullible as to believe that a person of wealth so deeply integrated into the fabric of a community such as New York, Portland, or Annapolis would simply sacrifice the labors of a lifetime, pull up stakes, and drag his family off to live in some unspeakable loserville backwater rather than pay a meaningless additional amount in state income taxes. The notion is incomprehensibly beyond belief. There is no explanation for how any person can have fallen for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    22.4 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers is something you are proud of? You are a typical liberal out of touch with reality.
    Well, it isn't 23 million as you'd claimed, is it. And a year ago, it was 23.4 million, wasn't it. So in this reality that you profess to be so familiar with, that's a drop of one million in just the past year, isn't it.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    People who pay no income tax pay taxes

    But you already knew that
    One of these days you are going to learn what your taxes actually fund, and I look forward to that day.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    The old "worthless IOU's" gag-line? Gee, for a moment there, I thought you might turn out to be more of challenge than that. One of those rare occasions when I have to admit how wrong I was. Do you meanwhile have any idea what school districts do with the cash proceeds of school bond sales? They spend them for school purposes, that's what. And what do corporations do with the cash proceeds of corporate bond sales? Why, they spend them for corporate purposes. So what do you think governments do with the cash proceeds of government bond sales? Any idea at all? Would you in fact agree that no rational person would ever issue debt unless he in fact already had in mind a purpose to which the cash proceeds could very quickly be put?

    As for worthless, US Treasury securities, are the safest, most secure investment vehicle in the history of the world. They are in fact the standard against which the safety and security of every other investment vehicle is measured. Didn't you know that? The Social Security Trust Fund is meanwhile just another investor when it comes to US Treasury securities. The full faith and credit of the United States Government stands behind every penny's worth of scheduled principal and interest, whether the investor is SSTF, the government of China, or your batty old Aunt Fanny.


    My taxes might very well exceed your income. And despite idiot right-wing claims that millionaires flee places like Oregon, Maryland, and NYC in droves in order to avoid paying a few extra cents in income taxes, nobody with actual money actually does that at all. The numbers that clownies base their claims on result from those who were just above the millionaire line before the Great Bush Recession having fallen beneath it as the result of that catastrophe. The GBR really did a number on people who had been relying on capital gains, you know. In the real world that hacks prefer not to think about, the wealthy didn't get that way overnight and they are heavily invested in the roots they have put down over the years -- the vast and profitable networks of business, social, cultural, religious, educational, and charitable contacts they have brought together over many years. You are apparently so gullible as to believe that a person of wealth so deeply integrated into the fabric of a community such as New York, Portland, or Annapolis would simply sacrifice the labors of a lifetime, pull up stakes, and drag his family off to live in some unspeakable loserville backwater rather than pay a meaningless additional amount in state income taxes. The notion is incomprehensibly beyond belief. There is no explanation for how any person can have fallen for it.


    Well, it isn't 23 million as you'd claimed, is it. And a year ago, it was 23.4 million, wasn't it. So in this reality that you profess to be so familiar with, that's a drop of one million in just the past year, isn't it.
    You do live in a dream world, one that defies reality. My bet is I pay more in taxes than you make. It really is sad that someone who claims to be as smart as you doesn't show it in their posts. You have no idea what a line item is, you have no idea what your taxes fund, you have no concept of debt service yet you claim to be not only rich but smart. I see neither. Try spending a govt. IOU at the grocery store. Didn't read the article on the IOU's did you?

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Line item details are under the line item. Absolutely amazing that you continue to show your ignorance. Defense is a line item, under defense are a lot of sub categories. You don't seem to comprehend the difference. the bottonline is all those subcategories make up Defense and add up to the total line item in the budget. We never were talking detail only the total for the individual line item which is made up of the subcategories.
    Oh dear. If this had been a field sobriety test, you would have flunked. Line-item is the lowest level at which an expenditure is reflected. This would most typically be to fully-qualified object classification, but not all expenditures are as complex as that, so in some cases, sub-programs and even programs themselves can be the effective line-item. No line-item entries appear in the Combined Statement, nor do any appear in Congressional budget resolutions. They do appear in the budget and may or may not in the authorizing and appropriating legislation. Defense, by the way, is not a line-item -- it is a freaking Department.

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