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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What loss of tax revenue? Military personal in a combat zone do not pay income taxes.

    Combat Zone Tax Exclusions | Military.com
    Wow, so all those soldiers coming home, leaving the military, and looking for jobs then would be just like those in combat zones, not paying any FIT? Brilliant analysis. You people are absolutly amazing, naive, gullible, and very poorly informed.

    By the way do you have any idea where the money comes from to fund the military and those salaries? How much are the 47% on non income tax paying public pay for those expenses?
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Like Winston stated troops IN combat zones pay no federal taxes.The biggest driver of our debt is the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq,and the 01 and 03 wrongheaded tax cuts in the middle of said wars, plus Medicare prescription drug benefits.According to Bloomberg News those boondoggles added $3.4 trillion to our nation’s debt.
    Wrong, the biggest drivers of our debt is govt. spending on entitlements something you wil never understand. Further like all liberals you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to the govt. but I don't see you sending extra to the govt.

    You better tell the Treasury Dept that tax cuts are an expense to the govt. because they show taxes as revenue and any revenue reduction isn't an expense. Further how much do those 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers pay in FIT?

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your total ignorance of the budget process, debt, and deficit are quite telling. Here are the line item budget items so please show me which line item expense is less this year than last? In addition please note the debt service and tell me how that helps the American people?

    Expenses (2011)

    Defense 708.3
    International Affairs 45.7
    Gen. Science, Space 30.4
    Energy 12.1
    Natural resources/env 43.3
    Agriculture 22.6
    Commerce/Housing Cr -13.8
    Transportation 93.2
    Community Dev 24.9
    Education/Train/Social 98.0
    Health 372.7
    Medicare 485.7
    Income Security 599.3
    Social Security 730.8
    Veterans Benefits 127.2
    Justice 56.7
    General Govt. 20.7
    Net Interest 227.1


    Total 3684.9
    If you think those are "line-items", you have exactly no clue whatsoever.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    If you think those are "line-items", you have exactly no clue whatsoever.
    Better tell that to the Treasury Dept because they disagree with you and obviously have no idea how much smarter than you are than they when it comes to the budget of the United States.

    Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    If you think those are "line-items", you have exactly no clue whatsoever.
    Do people like you ever admit when wrong on any subject? What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty that depends on a massive central govt. to provide that so called "free lunch" to you?

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    By the way do you have any idea where the money comes from to fund the military and those salaries? How much are the 47% on non income tax paying public pay for those expenses?
    Your figures are out of date. 51% did not pay income tax in 2009 according to the JCT. Of course, the reason that they didn't PAY any income tax that year is that they didn't OWE any income tax that year. Are you in the habit of paying taxes that you do not owe? If not, I don't see where you can have any objection at all to others doing just the same as you do.

    And the bottom quintile by income hands over about 17% of its income in federal, state, and local taxes, so they do have plenty of "skin in the game" as the downscale like to call it, in fact probably more than they can properly afford in many cases. The top 1% pays about 29% of its income in total taxes and has so much money left over that they barely notice.

    Total Tax Bill by Income Group, 2011
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Your figures are out of date. 51% did not pay income tax in 2009 according to the JCT. Of course, the reason that they didn't PAY any income tax that year is that they didn't OWE any income tax that year. Are you in the habit of paying taxes that you do not owe? If not, I don't see where you can have any objection at all to others doing just the same as you do.

    And the bottom quintile by income hands over about 17% of its income in federal, state, and local taxes, so they do have plenty of "skin in the game" as the downscale like to call it, in fact probably more than they can properly afford in many cases. The top 1% pays about 29% of its income in total taxes and has so much money left over that they barely notice.

    Total Tax Bill by Income Group, 2011
    So you believe working people earning an income owe nothing to fund the govt. that benefits them? Apparently you have no problem with the other 51% funding the entire Federal Govt. including military salaries and the debt service on the debt run up by that govt. all in the name of compassion?

    I do suggest that you learn what your taxes fund rather than quoting the old liberal standby of state and local taxes. I gave you the line items in the Federal Budget along with the link showing those line items but as usual you ignored the link, the line items, as well as the amount of money that funded those line items. Please show me the trillions in savings Obama has proposed?

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wrong, the biggest drivers of our debt is govt. spending on entitlements something you wil never understand.
    How is that possible when as of December 31, the two biggies -- Social Security and Medicare -- had piled up a combined SURPLUS of $2,953 billion? That's a lot of money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Further like all liberals you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to the govt. but I don't see you sending extra to the govt.
    Many people do. There is a whole separate Treasury account through which to accept donations from Mrs. Smith's 4th grade class to help reduce the deficit. That won't make for much of a tax code though. Taxes are not voluntary. Taxes are mandatory upon everyone. That includes you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You better tell the Treasury Dept that tax cuts are an expense to the govt. because they show taxes as revenue and any revenue reduction isn't an expense. Further how much do those 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers pay in FIT?
    Do you think these people pay nothing? How absurd! And your numbers are out of date again. The correct one would have been 22.4 million.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Better tell that to the Treasury Dept because they disagree with you and obviously have no idea how much smarter than you are than they when it comes to the budget of the United States.
    LOL! No, they do not disagree with me, you simply don't know what you are talking about. The Combined Statement does not include line-item detail. Tables 4 and 5 in the MTS do not include line-item detail. Line-item is a budget-accounting term and construct. You have misused it in a vain attempt to appear knowledgeable.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    How is that possible when as of December 31, the two biggies -- Social Security and Medicare -- had piled up a combined SURPLUS of $2,953 billion? That's a lot of money.


    Many people do. There is a whole separate Treasury account through which to accept donations from Mrs. Smith's 4th grade class to help reduce the deficit. That won't make for much of a tax code though. Taxes are not voluntary. Taxes are mandatory upon everyone. That includes you.


    Do you think these people pay nothing? How absurd! And your numbers are out of date again. The correct one would have been 22.4 million.
    It really is hard dealing with people like you who have no concept of basic economics and math. Do you realize that the so called surplus in SS and Medicare is made up mostly of IOU's? How do those IOU's get funded?

    Social Security IOUs stashed away - Washington Times

    As for taxes being mandatory? You are so busy being envious of the rich that you ignore the income earning Americans that pay zero. Further you have no concept of what your taxes fund nor the ability to move from state to state to avoid paying higher state taxes. Your economic and understanding of the role of govt. and purpose of the various taxes ignorance is staggering.

    22.4 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers is something you are proud of? You are a typical liberal out of touch with reality.

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