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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    No, in fact.

    But it's rather comical that conservatives want to now give Democrat "credit" for Bush's fiasco in Iraq and Reaghanistan
    Please stop making a fool of yourself, the cost of the wars are in the 10.6 trillion dollar debt that Obama inherited, it is 16.3 trillion now with no Iraq and rising. That is liberalism, ignoring reality.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    It's smaller than the WWII debt which like all military spending is dead weight on the economy. We came out of that problem with growth (not tax cuts for the wealthy and not austerity). We can do the same thing now, since the problem is not as acute and despite the total wasteful spending by Bush on Iraq and Afghanistan, at least Obama has invested in infrastructure. Borrowing money cheap in a recession and repairing and modernizing infrastructure results in higher productivity faster when the recession's effects end.

    So Obama did the right thing in not panicking and going the failed austerity route. Just ask the UK, with their double dip recession (which may go triple dip) and Germany with its lame .5 percent economic growth.

    The empricial data is in: austerity is a failure. Obama's Keynesian route has been vindicated (again). Get used to it.
    So your belief is in a large central govt. providing cradle to grave coverage? How is that working out for Europe?

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    I just showed you almost two $trillion in budget cuts/tax increasse and you say im inna dream world.When your not dodgen your a real hoot con.
    Could you point out the budget lines from year to year to point out the budget cuts?

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There are no budget cuts, the budget is higher this year than last year and higher last year than the year before. I suggest you seek some help because you really need it. Any projected budget cuts haven't happened yet and are a drop in the bucket. 1.5 trillion over 10 years is 150 billion a year so instead of a 1.2 trillion deficit it will still be over a trillion dollars. Keep buying the liberal rhetoric and one day you will grow up and realize what a fool Obama made out of you.
    WELlll...the dough saved by not engaging in the war is at a minimum $250 billion a year,times ten years. EUREKA! if we can MANAGE go ten years without invading a country were home free with $2.5 trillion bucks.Plus we got the top 2% kicking in $600 billion.HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN.
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    WELlll...the dough saved by not engaging in the war is at a minimum $250 billion a year,times ten years. EUREKA! if we can MANAGE go ten years without invading a country were home free with $2.5 trillion bucks.Plus we got the top 2% kicking in $600 billion.HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN.
    In other words, there were no cuts.

    Have you considered the difference between raising tax rates and collecting the taxes? People can, and do, change their behavior when threatened. I predict that way less will be collected in the first year and less than the first year in the second year. I would not be surprised of less tax revenues are collected as a result of this Marxist theft.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    In other words, there were no cuts.

    Have you considered the difference between raising tax rates and collecting the taxes? People can, and do, change their behavior when threatened. I predict that way less will be collected in the first year and less than the first year in the second year. I would not be surprised of less tax revenues are collected as a result of this Marxist theft.
    I would consider $250 billion a year for not putting any of our troops in harms way a win win.But then i,m not blessed with your ability to gaze into the future.
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    I would consider $250 billion a year for not putting any of our troops in harms way a win win.But then i,m not blessed with your ability to gaze into the future.
    Show me the cuts. Show me the prior year budget lines and then show me the following year's budget lines. Stop blowing smoke and pointing mirrors.
    You do not have my abilities because you do not have my level of wisdom.

    There is no shame in it. If you live long enough to grow out of your liberalism you may discover it.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    WELlll...the dough saved by not engaging in the war is at a minimum $250 billion a year,times ten years. EUREKA! if we can MANAGE go ten years without invading a country were home free with $2.5 trillion bucks.Plus we got the top 2% kicking in $600 billion.HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN.
    GW Bush negotiated the status of forces agreement that Obama implemented but your comments show exactly how little you know about the budget process. We have a deficit of over a trillion dollars a year and in fact Obama deficits have averaged over 1.2 trillion a year for his first term. If we were still in Iraq the deficit would have been 1.4 trillion so what you want to call a savings isn't really a savings at all. Please show me exactly what Obama cut by posting the budget of the United States so I can see the difference in line items?

    Why not take credit for not having a war with Canada? More savings!! Eureka!!

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    GW Bush negotiated the status of forces agreement that Obama implemented but your comments show exactly how little you know about the budget process. We have a deficit of over a trillion dollars a year and in fact Obama deficits have averaged over 1.2 trillion a year for his first term. If we were still in Iraq the deficit would have been 1.4 trillion so what you want to call a savings isn't really a savings at all. Please show me exactly what Obama cut by posting the budget of the United States so I can see the difference in line items?

    Why not take credit for not having a war with Canada? More savings!! Eureka!!

    Perhaps you overlooked this in my previous post, i will post it again as well as go into it in more debt.

    <DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE BUDGET FOR FY 2001>

    <Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen today released details of President Clinton's Fiscal Year (FY) 2001 defense budget. The budget requests $291.1 billion in budget authority and $277.5 billion in outlays for the Department of Defense (DoD). >

    < The President's 2012 Budget for the Department of Defense (DOD) reflects that commitment, proposing $553 billion >


    President Clinton's 2001 defense budget(prewar budget)=$291.1 billion

    President Obamas 2012 defense budget (Afghan war budget)=$553 billion


    $553 billion minus- $291.1 billion=$261.1 billionx ten years=??? Plus add whats left of the war in Iraq war to the equation and were talking real savings.Then of course we have the pittance the top one % of our society kicked in...and, its off to the monkey dance for the dems and into history with the whigs for the reps.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Perhaps you overlooked this in my previous post, i will post it again as well as go into it in more debt.

    <DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE BUDGET FOR FY 2001>

    <Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen today released details of President Clinton's Fiscal Year (FY) 2001 defense budget. The budget requests $291.1 billion in budget authority and $277.5 billion in outlays for the Department of Defense (DoD). >

    < The President's 2012 Budget for the Department of Defense (DOD) reflects that commitment, proposing $553 billion >


    President Clinton's 2001 defense budget(prewar budget)=$291.1 billion

    President Obamas 2012 defense budget (Afghan war budget)=$553 billion


    $553 billion minus- $291.1 billion=$261.1 billionx ten years=??? Plus add whats left of the war in Iraq war to the equation and were talking real savings.Then of course we have the pittance the top one % of our society kicked in...and, its off to the monkey dance for the dems and into history with the whigs for the reps.
    What you fail to recognize again is total budget of the United States and the debt. Neither of which matter to you since Obama is in the WH. Deficits per year are over a trillion dollars, there are no spending cuts and our current debt exceeds our yearly GDP. Printing and borrowing money are going to cost the American people significantly and Obama has no plans to put 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers back to work full time paying taxes.

    Your total ignorance of the budget process, debt, and deficit are quite telling. Here are the line item budget items so please show me which line item expense is less this year than last? In addition please note the debt service and tell me how that helps the American people?

    Expenses (2011)

    Defense 708.3
    International Affairs 45.7
    Gen. Science, Space 30.4
    Energy 12.1
    Natural resources/env 43.3
    Agriculture 22.6
    Commerce/Housing Cr -13.8
    Transportation 93.2
    Community Dev 24.9
    Education/Train/Social 98.0
    Health 372.7
    Medicare 485.7
    Income Security 599.3
    Social Security 730.8
    Veterans Benefits 127.2
    Justice 56.7
    General Govt. 20.7
    Net Interest 227.1


    Total 3684.9

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