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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Two more things will help. We see more states becoming right to work states. That will strip the democratic party of massive amounts of laundered dollars. Second, more states will have voter photo ID laws so one will have to prove one's eligibility to vote. That is very bad news for one party.

    I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer.

    If you want to vote in a local election prove you pay their taxes. If you want to vote at the state level prove you are a net taxpayer. And for the national level only those of us who actually pay should be able to vote. You no pay. You no play.
    why not go full bore stormfront ideology and revert to allowing only white male landowners to vote?
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Earlier I wrote, "Two more things will help. We see more states becoming right to work states. That will strip the democratic party of massive amounts of laundered dollars. Second, more states will have voter photo ID laws so one will have to prove one's eligibility to vote. That is very bad news for one party.

    I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer.

    If you want to vote in a local election prove you pay their taxes. If you want to vote at the state level prove you are a net taxpayer. And for the national level only those of us who actually pay should be able to vote. You no pay. You no play."

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    why not go full bore stormfront ideology and revert to allowing only white male landowners to vote?
    It appears that I can leave the nonsensical to you. You do it so much better than I ever could.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Earlier I wrote, "Two more things will help. We see more states becoming right to work states. That will strip the democratic party of massive amounts of laundered dollars. Second, more states will have voter photo ID laws so one will have to prove one's eligibility to vote. That is very bad news for one party.

    I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer.

    If you want to vote in a local election prove you pay their taxes. If you want to vote at the state level prove you are a net taxpayer. And for the national level only those of us who actually pay should be able to vote. You no pay. You no play."



    It appears that I can leave the nonsensical to you. You do it so much better than I ever could.
    Speaking of nonsensical.in post #197 you say “If you are unable to vote on the appointed day then get an absentee ballot and fill it out. “

    now you say “I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer. “Is this an additional hoop that you want to throw in front of the poor and seniors? Besides, I thought that the 24th Amendment disallowed the poll tax as a prerequisite for voting.Also, how are you going to worm around the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment?
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Speaking of nonsensical.in post #197 you say “If you are unable to vote on the appointed day then get an absentee ballot and fill it out. “
    Isn't that precisely why we have absentee ballots? We do not need nor can we again afford to have an election period that runs for weeks. It allows for way too much mischief.

    now you say “I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer. “Is this an additional hoop that you want to throw in front of the poor and seniors? Besides, I thought that the 24th Amendment disallowed the poll tax as a prerequisite for voting.Also, how are you going to worm around the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment?
    It is not a poll tax. If you haven't paid for government you should have no say in determining how the money is to be spent. On the day you vote you show up with your evidence that you are a net taxpayer.
    Each locality would need to create their rules.

    Nationally show up with your 1040. If you are a net taxpayer you vote in the national elections. Otherwise you do not.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Isn't that precisely why we have absentee ballots? We do not need nor can we again afford to have an election period that runs for weeks. It allows for way too much mischief.


    It is not a poll tax. If you haven't paid for government you should have no say in determining how the money is to be spent. On the day you vote you show up with your evidence that you are a net taxpayer.
    Each locality would need to create their rules.

    Nationally show up with your 1040. If you are a net taxpayer you vote in the national elections. Otherwise you do not.

    Sure it is. In the south it was used in the late eighteen hundreds,up to early nineteen hundreds to keep the black and poor whites from voting. Hence the 24th Amendment,intruduced in 1964, that disallowed the tax that you now want to implement.Sad.
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Sure it is. In the south it was used in the late eighteen hundreds,up to early nineteen hundreds to keep the black and poor whites from voting. Hence the 24th Amendment,intruduced in 1964, that disallowed the tax that you now want to implement.Sad.
    A poll tax is a fee one pays for voting. This is evidence that one is paying the costs of the government that is being voted for. It is not asking for more money. It asks only for proof that the voter is a net tax payer. There is no additional cost beyond what one already bears.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    A poll tax is a fee one pays for voting. This is evidence that one is paying the costs of the government that is being voted for. It is not asking for more money. It asks only for proof that the voter is a net tax payer. There is no additional cost beyond what one already bears.

    Silly me. I coulda sworn that you said this in post #242 “I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer. “Note the bolded part, and take a peek at what i underlined .
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Silly me. I coulda sworn that you said this in post #242 “I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer. “Note the bolded part, and take a peek at what i underlined .
    Of course. I have consistently said that. To be eligible to vote one must be a citizen and prove one is a net taxpayer for that election.

    Every election could have different rules. In some property taxes might be the proof. In others evidence that one made purchases in an area (water, gas, electricity...). For the state level depending on the tax structure it could be the 1040 to show you are a net taxpayer. If there is no income tax them prove you purchased things that require a sales tax.

    For the national level prove you are a net tax payer. It should be easy to do. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Of course. I have consistently said that. To be eligible to vote one must be a citizen and prove one is a net taxpayer for that election.

    Every election could have different rules. In some property taxes might be the proof. In others evidence that one made purchases in an area (water, gas, electricity...). For the state level depending on the tax structure it could be the 1040 to show you are a net taxpayer. If there is no income tax them prove you purchased things that require a sales tax.

    For the national level prove you are a net tax payer. It should be easy to do. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
    Now were getting into semantics.Taking the term that YOU USED."Net taxpayer".NET,being the qualifier for, PAYER.
    Now lets see how you monkey dance outta this one.This is almost as lame as your ONE TERM PREZ bit.
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It is not a poll tax. If you haven't paid for government you should have no say in determining how the money is to be spent. On the day you vote you show up with your evidence that you are a net taxpayer.
    Each locality would need to create their rules.

    Nationally show up with your 1040. If you are a net taxpayer you vote in the national elections. Otherwise you do not.
    There are issues well beyond how money is spent that is determined by elections.

    Also, I don't know if I really agree that spending and economic policy is determined by what people vote or believe. I think if anything there's a lot of data that suggests there is a wide gap between what most voters believe should be done and what is actually done. The deal that seems to be coming out of this fiscal cliff seems to be completely the opposite of what voters believe should be the result of any deal.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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