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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

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    Keep ignoring reality so if that is a personal attack so be it. As you have been shown the debt went up every year during the Clinton term and that wouldn't have happened with your claims of a surplus. You simply don't understand a unified budget. Liberal loyalty is making you look foolish.
    I'm not the one ignoring realty.I,v shown you the years,i'v shown you the amount if money and i,v even provided a link for you to go look at the data. yet, for what i am assuming are ideological reasons you still refuse to face realty.And you say that i look foolish?
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

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    I'm not the one ignoring realty.I,v shown you the years,i'v shown you the amount if money and i,v even provided a link for you to go look at the data. yet, for what i am assuming are ideological reasons you still refuse to face realty.And you say that i look foolish?

    Would you concede that a "surplus" in Washington speak, means something totally different from what most of America considers a true surplus?

    There are many different ways to manipulate numbers to get them to say what you want them to. Clinton was a master at that. The problem is that we have a government now that is nothing like the Clinton years. During Clinton's time he realized early in his second term that he had to find a way to moderate his leftist tendencies, and work with a republican congress to get things done. Today, at least so far we don't have that. Obama has no interest in working with anyone, he wants it his way, or no way, and is willing to openly lie, divide, and destroy as much of this country's greatness in order to destroy the republicans with it....
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    I'm not the one ignoring realty.I,v shown you the years,i'v shown you the amount if money and i,v even provided a link for you to go look at the data. yet, for what i am assuming are ideological reasons you still refuse to face realty.And you say that i look foolish?
    The reality is you don't understand what makes up the deficit and debt because you don't understand what a unified budget is. You buy what the CBO tells you but ignores what the bank account of the United States shows you. Your loyalty to liberalism and Bill Clinton is noted but that doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

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    Would you concede that a "surplus" in Washington speak, means something totally different from what most of America considers a true surplus?
    Only if you go back and read my posts. What I was responding to was not the surplus part it was the balanced part. See below.*


    There are many different ways to manipulate numbers to get them to say what you want them to. Clinton was a master at that.
    Yes,that is why BJ's balanced budget, was called a "projected surplus" because of its ten year window... which dubya managed to blow up with his two unfunded wars and a prescription drug plan for seniors.

    The problem is that we have a government now that is nothing like the Clinton years.
    Very true. The main cause is the teabaggers elected to the house in 2010.


    During Clinton's time he realized early in his second term that he had to find a way to moderate his leftist tendencies, and work with a republican congress to get things done.

    That's a kinda odd statement to make, considering that the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act ,also called the Deficit Reduction Act , passed in August of 1993(seven months after he was sworn in) of that year,was passed without a single republican vote.Very odd statement, when you look at the dip in unemployment that soon followed.

    Today, at least so far we don't have that.
    Also true. today we have dysfunctional house of representatives with a teabager tail, wagging a republican house majority.


    Obama has no interest in working with anyone, he wants it his way, or no way, and is willing to openly lie, divide, and destroy as much of this country's greatness in order to destroy the republicans with it....
    You kinda like to build strawmen dontcha?
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post


    Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?


    A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

    It really doesn't matter - like I said I could set an astronomically high budget (or allow my Congress to do so) and we could call anything my congress did not spend a "surplus."

    All that matters is that you DONT SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN, hence budgets don't mean anything.

    A person who makes $1.000 dollars a month can spend $1,500 dollars a month and call that their budget while they borrow the rest when they only spent $700.00 on the month while calling that a "surplus."

    Sorry if these ideas are too complicated for you to understand.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

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    It really doesn't matter - like I said I could set an astronomically high budget (or allow my Congress to do so) and we could call anything my congress did not spend a "surplus."

    All that matters is that you DONT SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN, hence budgets don't mean anything.

    A person who makes $1.000 dollars a month can spend $1,500 dollars a month and call that their budget while they borrow the rest when they only spent $700.00 on the month while calling that a "surplus."

    Sorry if these ideas are too complicated for you to understand.
    So,do you really think that a government is run like a HOUSEHOLD?"All that matters is that you DONT SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN, hence budgets don't mean anything."
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It really doesn't matter - like I said I could set an astronomically high budget (or allow my Congress to do so) and we could call anything my congress did not spend a "surplus."

    All that matters is that you DONT SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN

    A person who makes $1.000 dollars a month can spend $1,500 dollars a month and call that their budget while they borrow the rest when they only spent $700.00 on the month while calling that a "surplus."
    No, you cannot. Surpluses and deficits are expressed purely in the form of revenues and expenditures. Outlays that exceed tax receipts are filed under the "deficit"' category.

    Right, which occurred in both FY99 and 00.

    No, they cannot.
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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    So,do you really think that a government is run like a HOUSEHOLD?"All that matters is that you DONT SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN, hence budgets don't mean anything."
    Yes I do - microeconomics matter!!!

    In what universe do you believe economics ends at government? Oh yeah you believe in dictated economies like every progressive commie does that is why you run the printing press 24-7 - when you need more money you just print it. Then you wonder why people buy gold? Sorry a dollar is not worth a dollar just because you say it is.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    No, they cannot. Surpluses and deficits are expressed purely in the form of revenues and expenditures. Outlays that exceed tax receipts are filed under the "deficit"' category.

    Right, which happened in both FY98, 99, 00 and 01.

    No, they cannot.
    Really? maybe I can just set my personal budget at 1 trillion and then call everything I didn't spend a surplus despite the fact I could be in the red?

    No, because I don't borrow money. I view defaulting as stealing.

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    Re: G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yes I do - microeconomics matter!!!

    In what universe do you believe economics ends at government? Oh yeah you believe in dictated economies like every progressive commie does that is why you run the printing press 24-7 - when you need more money you just print it. Then you wonder why people buy gold? Sorry a dollar is not worth a dollar just because you say it is.
    What in the world makes you think macroeconomics responds to thrift? There is no evidence that virtue (or what you consider virtue, which in tea party parlance is something like poverty and lack of productivity) has anything to do with how macroeconmics works. Indeed, credit is the engine of macroeconomic events, and tea baggers for some reason don't think credit is good thing (despite that fact that it is the basis of modern capitalism and its wealth creation).

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