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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Love it. just love it.
    Here is another person who broke the law.

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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So you think its okay for teachers to carry guns to stop brown people with turbans but not white dudes? Does the turban and the accent make them that much more dangerous?
    Is that a joke?

    My point is that citing the various forms of Israeli contractor guards in this context is a poor argument as the context is different, society is different and their reason for being their is different. It's not a good comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you recognize the difference between allowing, or even encouraging someone to do the right thing, and demanding it of them?

    If people are going to shoot up kids in schools very soon we may discover the best places are where the goofy liberals live. What could be more just?

    Rather than sacrificing our children you will get to sacrifice your own.
    Oh I recognize allowing, encouraging vs demanding it. Difference between candles and wine vs ruffies and 'legitimate' rape.

    Where the allow vs force issue comes apart is allow is a feel good band-aid 'conservatives' attack liberals for wanting. The allow laws will be a hodge podge of armed teachers who's number per school and ability will be wildly different. There would need to be a certain number who train for such events and a variety of events that will tax the available time teachers have.

    So you either force some teachers to arm or you hire dedicated security for the job- I favor dedicated security.

    Lets examine the problem a bit more. What method of engagement would you endorse? Do all the armed teachers rush to the sounds of fire? Do they rally in a central point and then move as a team to the firefight? Do they seal off their classrooms and wait for the attacker to attempt to break in? Is the teacher leaving their classrooms the best idea? For a lone attacker perhaps but what if another intruder comes in from a different direction and enters the now teacherless classroom? What happens to the classrooms where the teacher isn't armed?

    But a bit more to the point is the ability to use the firearm in a timely manner and accurate fashion. THAT takes more training than most CCW courses provide. The environment is filled with minors, not all sweet and innocent once you get up in grades, I doubt many parents to include those who own firearms are warm n fuzzy about having a weapon on the hip of the teacher infront of the class.

    Next I have always followed the maxim the best weapon against tanks is other tanks. The best weapon against gunmen are gunmen on your side. However that isn't nor should it be the ONLY knife in the drawer. There are many other ways to thwart entry, and limit the number of people exposed to the gunman. (You don't seriously think armed teachers can stop the AR/AK gunman without a loss of child or teacher do you?)

    Now I have read many other threads where teachers are lambasted as commies out to subvert the country with 'taker' defeatism or socialist indoctrination but NOW the 'conservatives' think enough of them are 2nd A supporters to make a difference?

    Pick one, the teachers will either arm themselves in enough numbers and train to be an effective stop to a variety of threats or they are commie 'taker' trainers who are out to ruin the foundation of the nation.

    I have a difficult time believe people who want to shoot up schools will travel to another state to do the deed. Seems to me every mass murder done in a school was done at a school that had meaning to the shooter. More payback than easiest target.

    I'd also say the attackers will evolve tactics to meet the concealed carry teacher, bad juju to think your opponent will do what you want them too.

    Anyway a few armed teachers willy nilly through the school system is just more feel good legislation. We need a professional approach to this problem, not an unorganized militia one.

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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Use to be a time when guns were allowed on school property. Not just by the faculty but also by the students. During that time...how many school shootings were there?
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Conservatives are definitely not like liberals. Especially liberals like you who think taking guns from everyone is the best course of action.

    I know you are just having fun here...but your disingenuous course of discussion is getting tiresome.
    You are incorrect, there are LAWS against having weapons in schools so what part of illegal don't you understand?

    There is a strong lack of willingness for those who can do a little time protect our kids from making that sacrifice, you don't want to. Do you really think enough teachers, the same people 'conservatives' attack as subverting the nation when it suits them, will arm, and train to be effective?

    No deflection on taxes, the false idol of lower taxes is good for all of us has shown it's ugly side. Schools can do so much more than just git 'guns' but it costs money.

    The Teacher's Union is advocating hiring security guards and beefing up the physical security of schools.

    Now in typical extremist failed debate tactics you makes claims about what I want and who I am. I NEVER said all 'guns' are bad and we should be disarmed. I own 'em from bolt action to an E-Vile AK with a DPMS thrown in. Pistol too but that is to throw on my way to a real weapon...

    So put the radical right wing attacks to the side. I am not for 'gun' grabbing, or banning one rifle over another. I'm for reasonable reactions, not feel good nonsense- by either extreme...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, the fact is most gun owners ARE law abiding citizens. This one apparently was not. She did the right thing by informing the staff, she did the wrong thing by bringing in the gun. Pretty sure that besides being against school policy, it was probably against the law as well. AND it was foolish (the weapon was loaded and ready to fire).

    She should have lobbied for a change to the law/policy first, before she came armed.
    I agree with most of what you say. However, it is only foolish to have an unloaded gun that is not ready to fire. When empty, they are no more useful than a paper weight. You cannot predict ahead of time whether you will have time to load your gun if a situation arises.

    My personal defense hand gun is always loaded and ready almost ready to fire. A round chambered, hammer cocked (I don't have a double action or safety that lowers the hammer, my finger slipping while lowering the hammer on a semi-auto frankly scares me) and safety on. I live alone, no kids, so I can do this all the time. If I had very young children, I would probably unload and lock it up every day and reload it at night. Not that a young child is likely to be able to chamber a round in it, but you should always practice good safety habits.
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Use to be a time when guns were allowed on school property. Not just by the faculty but also by the students. During that time...how many school shootings were there?
    You cannot even carry a pocket knife. One of the most useful tools a person can carry and not much of a danger to anyone. It used to be common for boys to carry a small pocket knife/pen knife, don't do it today and get caught. Talk about overzealous rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Oh I recognize allowing, encouraging vs demanding it. Difference between candles and wine vs ruffies and 'legitimate' rape.

    Where the allow vs force issue comes apart is allow is a feel good band-aid 'conservatives' attack liberals for wanting. The allow laws will be a hodge podge of armed teachers who's number per school and ability will be wildly different. There would need to be a certain number who train for such events and a variety of events that will tax the available time teachers have.

    So you either force some teachers to arm or you hire dedicated security for the job- I favor dedicated security.

    Lets examine the problem a bit more. What method of engagement would you endorse? Do all the armed teachers rush to the sounds of fire? Do they rally in a central point and then move as a team to the firefight? Do they seal off their classrooms and wait for the attacker to attempt to break in? Is the teacher leaving their classrooms the best idea? For a lone attacker perhaps but what if another intruder comes in from a different direction and enters the now teacherless classroom? What happens to the classrooms where the teacher isn't armed?

    But a bit more to the point is the ability to use the firearm in a timely manner and accurate fashion. THAT takes more training than most CCW courses provide. The environment is filled with minors, not all sweet and innocent once you get up in grades, I doubt many parents to include those who own firearms are warm n fuzzy about having a weapon on the hip of the teacher infront of the class.

    Next I have always followed the maxim the best weapon against tanks is other tanks. The best weapon against gunmen are gunmen on your side. However that isn't nor should it be the ONLY knife in the drawer. There are many other ways to thwart entry, and limit the number of people exposed to the gunman. (You don't seriously think armed teachers can stop the AR/AK gunman without a loss of child or teacher do you?)

    Now I have read many other threads where teachers are lambasted as commies out to subvert the country with 'taker' defeatism or socialist indoctrination but NOW the 'conservatives' think enough of them are 2nd A supporters to make a difference?

    Pick one, the teachers will either arm themselves in enough numbers and train to be an effective stop to a variety of threats or they are commie 'taker' trainers who are out to ruin the foundation of the nation.

    I have a difficult time believe people who want to shoot up schools will travel to another state to do the deed. Seems to me every mass murder done in a school was done at a school that had meaning to the shooter. More payback than easiest target.

    I'd also say the attackers will evolve tactics to meet the concealed carry teacher, bad juju to think your opponent will do what you want them too.

    Anyway a few armed teachers willy nilly through the school system is just more feel good legislation. We need a professional approach to this problem, not an unorganized militia one.
    Why cant you have both??? Have professional guards in case no one volunteers. Give teachers the option to train and carry to extra supplement the guardianship. This is obviously the best and most strategic choice for massacre control. I don't get why you are so vehement on "PICK ONE".
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    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Oh I recognize allowing, encouraging vs demanding it. Difference between candles and wine vs ruffies and 'legitimate' rape.

    Where the allow vs force issue comes apart is allow is a feel good band-aid 'conservatives' attack liberals for wanting. The allow laws will be a hodge podge of armed teachers who's number per school and ability will be wildly different. There would need to be a certain number who train for such events and a variety of events that will tax the available time teachers have.

    So you either force some teachers to arm or you hire dedicated security for the job- I favor dedicated security.

    Lets examine the problem a bit more. What method of engagement would you endorse? Do all the armed teachers rush to the sounds of fire? Do they rally in a central point and then move as a team to the firefight? Do they seal off their classrooms and wait for the attacker to attempt to break in? Is the teacher leaving their classrooms the best idea? For a lone attacker perhaps but what if another intruder comes in from a different direction and enters the now teacherless classroom? What happens to the classrooms where the teacher isn't armed?

    But a bit more to the point is the ability to use the firearm in a timely manner and accurate fashion. THAT takes more training than most CCW courses provide. The environment is filled with minors, not all sweet and innocent once you get up in grades, I doubt many parents to include those who own firearms are warm n fuzzy about having a weapon on the hip of the teacher infront of the class.

    Next I have always followed the maxim the best weapon against tanks is other tanks. The best weapon against gunmen are gunmen on your side. However that isn't nor should it be the ONLY knife in the drawer. There are many other ways to thwart entry, and limit the number of people exposed to the gunman. (You don't seriously think armed teachers can stop the AR/AK gunman without a loss of child or teacher do you?)

    Now I have read many other threads where teachers are lambasted as commies out to subvert the country with 'taker' defeatism or socialist indoctrination but NOW the 'conservatives' think enough of them are 2nd A supporters to make a difference?

    Pick one, the teachers will either arm themselves in enough numbers and train to be an effective stop to a variety of threats or they are commie 'taker' trainers who are out to ruin the foundation of the nation.

    I have a difficult time believe people who want to shoot up schools will travel to another state to do the deed. Seems to me every mass murder done in a school was done at a school that had meaning to the shooter. More payback than easiest target.

    I'd also say the attackers will evolve tactics to meet the concealed carry teacher, bad juju to think your opponent will do what you want them too.

    Anyway a few armed teachers willy nilly through the school system is just more feel good legislation. We need a professional approach to this problem, not an unorganized militia one.
    Every person has a right to self-defense. In the US we are fortunate to have that right recognized in our Constitution. It is time to allow every citizen, whether they work in a school or not the right to defend themselves against monsters with guns.

    Once the gun free zone legislation is done away with every school board needs to determine the best course of action for their schools. I believe the baseline requirements include elimination of gun free zones and the right for school workers to defend themselves. Anything else above those two simple requirements must be determined by each locality.

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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Every person has a right to self-defense. In the US we are fortunate to have that right recognized in our Constitution. It is time to allow every citizen, whether they work in a school or not the right to defend themselves against monsters with guns.

    Once the gun free zone legislation is done away with every school board needs to determine the best course of action for their schools. I believe the baseline requirements include elimination of gun free zones and the right for school workers to defend themselves. Anything else above those two simple requirements must be determined by each locality.
    This sounds good. If you dont like teachers and staff having weapons you can move to a state or county which doesn't allow it. If you rather have teachers be true guardianship then move to a state/county which does.
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