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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Either gun owners hang onto the narrative that they are law abiding citizens, that no one needs to fear for them being armed, or they can support actions like this. You can't have it both ways were you talk about stopping criminals, while you are currently breaking the law. Now I get it that her crime is far far from a murder or a shooting, but it is still illegal what she did.
    Another law abiding citizen. She knew she didn't care and did it anyhow. WHo else thinks like that.
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Just sayin'. I dont think all teachers should be forced to carry a weapon. This alone could lead to danger (the government should NEVER force someone to carry a gun. This may lead to spite and guess what?... they now have a gun). But if a teacher is comfortable with having one I say that's A-OK by me. Sorta how parents in America are now. If you are comfy with guns you might/probably have one. If you hate them then you don't.
    Forced. Freedom and forced. Good luck with that whatevery country you live in. I live in the USA and I'll be damned if someone is going to FORCE Me to carry a gun just to make them feel better. Same junk as the pro life extremists.
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Another law abiding citizen. She knew she didn't care and did it anyhow. WHo else thinks like that.
    Rosa Parks broke the law.
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Forced. Freedom and forced. Good luck with that whatevery country you live in. I live in the USA and I'll be damned if someone is going to FORCE Me to carry a gun just to make them feel better. Same junk as the pro life extremists.
    ..... read a little slower and perhaps try to comprehend it. I agree with you.
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    What are the differences? Do you really know what the culture and "gun" culture of Israel is like?

    Israel is surrounded by approximately a billion people that want to kill them. Palestinians refuse to recognize their right to exist and make peace with them. Instead they launch dumb rockets at them regularly and sponsor all kinds of terrorist attacks into the country.

    We don't have to face that kind of outside threat. So, while I don't know the specifics, I can appreciate that their culture would have a different attitude towards guns than the average American.

    I have pointed out before, when most American families were required to own arms, could be assumed to be armed and there were little to no restriction on where you could carry you gun, America had a very low murder rate. We know that more guns in legal hands and reasonable self defense laws can and has prevented violent crime.

    We also know that guns will not disappear in America anytime soon or if ever.

    We also know that Armed Citizens are the final line of defense of the Country. This holds true whether there is currently a realistic threat or not. Considering how some want to cut defense, can we say absolutely that that final line will not be needed in the future? No.

    Like any other issue we cannot point to a single cause nor will any action taken that address only one of the pertinent issues will actually fix the problem. We can ban the sale of "assault" rifles, but millions of them still exist in private hands. How long would such a ban have to last before it had a significant affect and reduce the numbers already in our society? We know that violent crime tends to concentrate in certain areas and with certain segments of our society.

    Instead of tracking how much crime is committed with legally owned weapons vs those that are illegally obtained, our government is attempting to attack all gun owners. Why don't we try a maximum effort to remove illegal guns from our society before we start attacking and changing the rights of legal owners? Some are using the actions of a very small minority to attack the rights of the majority.

    So taking all of this into account, how do you think we can change our society to better control violence in our society? That should be the goal, shouldn't it?
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    ..... read a little slower and perhaps try to comprehend it. I agree with you.
    Sorry man I messed up big time MY APOLOGIES. Bad eye fart on me.
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Either gun owners hang onto the narrative that they are law abiding citizens, that no one needs to fear for them being armed, or they can support actions like this. You can't have it both ways were you talk about stopping criminals, while you are currently breaking the law. Now I get it that her crime is far far from a murder or a shooting, but it is still illegal what she did.
    No, the fact is most gun owners ARE law abiding citizens. This one apparently was not. She did the right thing by informing the staff, she did the wrong thing by bringing in the gun. Pretty sure that besides being against school policy, it was probably against the law as well. AND it was foolish (the weapon was loaded and ready to fire).

    She should have lobbied for a change to the law/policy first, before she came armed.

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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    It is amusing to hear a 'conservative' accuse a Progressive of fearing change!

    I'd LOVE to see the 'conservatives' quit brow beating the Teacher's Union and work together for viable security upgrades. Many options are available, but few are cheap. I wouldn't have a problem with teachers VOLUNTARILY seeking a rather high standard of training to carry in the classroom, CCW training just isn't extensive enough for the classroom environment in my opinion. That of course would be a hit and miss, hodge podge of 'security'.

    Someone once said the road to Hell was paved with good intentions. As a firearm owner and former grunt I can tell you your weapon can't be left, outside the home, out of what we called physical security- your reach. She would have gotten an Article 15 for that at the very least if it was the Army of my day. Bad juju anyway you slice it.

    I have to wonder if this employee did infact tell the teacher about the weapon to make sure someone else would be able to get to it if it was needed and the employee went down if she knew the teacher was familiar with how a revolver works and if this teacher could hit the broad side of a barn with it. The long trigger pull of a double action revolver is why I 'cheat' and thumb the hammer back before pulling the trigger.

    I also wonder just how well the employee knew this teacher if the teacher turned around and reported the employee...

    Not very close and if not close why would you entrust deadly force in them?

    Just seems a bit hinky to me...
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Nice paste and cut - From Terrorist. Saying the issues Isreal has and we have are the same is insane. They have people within thier communities who want to kill them wholesale. We don't at least not that way.
    I wasn't saying that, you did.

    What I WAS pointing out, Was that there IS a way for teachers to assume an added role as guardians, in the true sense of the word. They may not need to carry a Kalashnikov, but they could concealed carry a Glock.
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The way I see it, this staff member made two mistakes:

    1. She violated school policy regarding guns on campus.

    While I don't condone her action, I can understand the fear that made her do this.

    2. She told a teacher she had a gun.

    If she would have kept silent, nobody would have known the gun was there...until some 20 year old nutjob came into the school with evil intent. Then she might be considered a hero.


    On the other hand, that mother who had a "little mini-breakdown" really needs to get a grip on life.
    Maybe the gun toting old lady just got pranked? The day before in the teacher's lounge, some guy stands up and sez "You know what we all oughta do?? Beginning tomorrow we all start packin' heat!! If some crazy guy invades the school we will all be ready to blast the evil bastard...!!!".


    And the teacher who got arrested was the only one who didn't catch on that he was just bull****ting....


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