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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Member’s Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Yeah. That was a useful exercise.

    Do you agree that the majority, if not all, of the mass murders in the last twenty years, where guns were used have occurred in gun free zones?

    Do you believe in choice? Does a woman have a right to choose...life versus death for herself and her school children who may be murdered in a gun free zone?
    I believe in the right to choose, not strawman arguments to push an agenda. Let the teacher decide before all the feel good, rather useless political posturing.

    Again 'gun free' is a misnomer- the good guys had firearms in these areas, what they didn't have was a good security system so they could act rather than react after the murders started.

    I'd say you don't understand being armed. having a pistol in your hand guarantees nothing. this teacher would have to make a headshot on someone who already knows the adult must die first and is wearing body armor.

    Better way to say what you mean is allowing a teacher the chance she/he can shoot a mass murderer in the head before the mass murderer shoots them.

    I'd rather the school be hardened against entry, and professionals be armed and dedicated to security in place rather than a questionable few in number teachers in easy to access schools be the security. Again CCWs would be very rare and always at a disadvantage unless the schools are hardened.

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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Member’s Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Am I trying to do that? I'm simply pointing out that gun owners should take a second to think about their fairly common mantra of needing guns for those who break the laws, while so many of them break the law themselves in regards to where they bring their weapon.

    By the way that oath does not prevent me from having a wide range of political beliefs should I choose to have them, and your opinion on what the Constitution means is not what I've sworn to support and defend
    Do you actually read what you write. You don't make any sense. You did swear to uphold what the founders who wrote that amendment meant, so start upholding it.
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Member’s Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Odds are she told the teacher thinking the teacher would like to know in case something happened. It may shock you, but people who own guns do sometimes do things with good intentions too. And they cannot put their money where their mouth is because the "progressives" are afraid of change.
    That's the problem though, the people might very well have good intentions, but the gun has no such plan and it is just as happy in a childs hand or in anyones who picks it up. Those good intentions don't bring back the dead from accidental shooting or maniac murderers. That is what was found and THAT is the reason for the laws. A gun is more likely to be the cause of injuries than be used to prevent them. I don't know about you but I like it that way. Feeling that it is "shoot" or "be shot" all the time is not a way to live.

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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Member’s Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    Well if I had a 30 or 100 round clip that means I do not have to have a target I can engage multiple targets as fast as the gun shoots, or as fast as I can pull the trigger. I.E. the term spray rounds in a crowded area. Much like what happened in Colorado. Now in Newton he pretty much engaged targets one at a time.
    Bullet fire isn't math class unless you are Dirty Harry but there is still a split second at the start of a merging of field of fires where only 1 shot can be shot off in time. If 2 people are coming around a corner the person with the fastest and best aim gets that first shot off. Someone who has to keep their head hidden behind stuff isn't going to be aiming as well as someone who isn't being shot at.
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Member’s Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    A gun is more likely to be the cause of injuries than be used to prevent them.
    This statement is blatantly false, and one of the most common non-facts I hear invoked by gun control advocates. There is a ton of research on this subject, and it is easy to do your own research. Why do you believe this to be true, if you have a source please give it, if not, please do some research and you will find that nothing could be further from the truth.

    You mentioned "accidental shootings", which make up a ridiculously small percentage of accidental deaths. How do you use such a stunningly rare occurrence to justify gun control?
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Member’s Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    That is exactly how the Arizona shooting was stopped he gun either jammed or he was reloading. If they do not have 30 or one hundred round clips they would have to reload. The point is a 9mm isnt going to stop a person with a 30 round clip it is simple math and that math is 3 to1 in favor of the person who can spray rounds. Oh by the way the peron at the arizona shooting with the gun could not get a shot off
    Only takes one aimed round.
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Member’s Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Do you actually read what you write. You don't make any sense. You did swear to uphold what the founders who wrote that amendment meant, so start upholding it.
    No I swore to support and defend the Constitution, which is different for several reasons.

    1) The Founders didn't all agree on what the amendments meant
    2) The Constitution has changed since that time
    3) The SCOTUS is who determines what the Constitution means
    4) I never swore to support or defend your idea of what it means
    5) The oath of office is in no way meant to or decided to bind someone to a certain political belief

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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Member’s Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    That is exactly how the Arizona shooting was stopped he gun either jammed or he was reloading. If they do not have 30 or one hundred round clips they would have to reload. The point is a 9mm isnt going to stop a person with a 30 round clip it is simple math and that math is 3 to1 in favor of the person who can spray rounds. Oh by the way the peron at the arizona shooting with the gun could not get a shot off
    Perhaps you should talk to Jeanne Assam.

    I posted this before in response to another member's comments. They apply to yours as well:

    Larry Bourbonnais, a combat-tested Vietnam veteran, said it was the bravest thing he’s ever seen.

    Bourbonnais, who was among those shot by a gunman Sunday at New Life Church, watched as a security guard, a woman later identified as Jeanne Assam, calmly returned fire and killed the shooter.

    “She just started walking toward the gunman firing the whole way,” said Bourbonnais, who was shot in the arm. “She was just yelling ‘Surrender,’ walking and shooting the whole time.”

    Bourbonnais, 59, was chowing down in the church cafeteria when he heard the shots. He headed in the direction of the gunfire, asking “where’s the shooter?”, as people ran past him.

    Near an entryway in the church, Bourbonnais came upon the gunman and an armed male church security guard who was there with his gun drawn but not firing, he said.

    Bourbonnais said he pleaded with the armed guard to give him his weapon.

    But the guard just hollered at Bourbonnais to get behind him.

    He wouldn’t hand me his weapon, but he wouldn’t do anything.”

    Armed guard #2 was no better:

    There was an additional armed security guard there, another man, who also didn’t fire, Bourbonnais said.

    A couple of damn wimps!

    Bourbonnais yelled at the gunman to draw his attention, he said.

    “First, I called him ‘Coward’ then I called him ‘S—head’ ” Bourbonnais said. “I probably shouldn’t have been saying that in church.”

    No, indeed, it only attracted the shooter’s attention:

    That’s when the shooter pointed one of his guns at Bourbonnais and fired, he said.

    Bourbonnais ducked behind a hollow, decorative pillar and was hit in the arm by a bullet and fragments of the pillar.

    Enter our heroine:

    Assam turned a corner with a drawn handgun, walked toward the gunman and yelled “Surrender!” Bourbonnais said.

    The gunman pointed a handgun at Assam and fired three shots, Bourbonnais said. She returned fire and just kept walking toward the gunman pressing off round after round.

    After the gunman went down, Bourbonnais asked Assam, a volunteer security guard with the church, how she remained so calm and focused.

    Bourbonnais said she replied:

    “I was asking the Holy Spirit to guide me the entire time.”

    The Heroine Of The Colorado Springs Church Shooting « Nice Deb
    Now, I'm not a religious man, so even though she credits god for her ability, I don't. I credit her. The guy she went up against had three weapons and over a thousand rounds. She prevented him from killing scores of people that day. With a 9 mm.
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Member’s Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Only takes one aimed round.
    Good luck with that Rambo! When 30 or 100 are coming back at you. Soif you are that good why are you here?

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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Member’s Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    Good luck with that Rambo! When 30 or 100 are coming back at you. Soif you are that good why are you here?
    Yes, TaraAnne, it is good that you have your attitude. It will keep you alive at the cost of other's deaths.

    But you will understand when I say that...if I should find myself in a dangerous situation...I hope you run and hide.
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