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    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    I pointed to two and you could only point to one so tell me how is your view any better. I could have named a number of events yet it is no use with Republicans they are hell bent on ruining this country either by God, Gun, or bankruptcy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    *shakes my head* Just stop.
    LMAO you accuse me of only showing two instances. Yet you provide one who should be shaking their heads at stupidity! The circus animals are funny today!

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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    So then explain Columbine and the Arizona shooting both had guns in the right hand and nothing happen. I do recall in Arizona it was an unarmed man that tackled the gun man. Seem to me you aree grasping at air trying to prove a point. Just like anytime there is a shooting the NRA and the rights answer is more guns. Talk about beating your head against the wall
    I, for one, am not making sense of this. Are you saying that, other than the shooters, there was another armed person at these attacks who did not shoot the perpetrator/s?

    If so, then perhaps I missed that article/s that mentioned that fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    We all have the right to defend ourselves. That right includes teachers. We can deal with the right of self defense as a separate issue form their being members in public sector unions.
    yes we do, but as the courts say not with a firearm in all places. We have gone over the list plenty enough times. Now instead of thinking of a firearm in the hands of amateurs, perhaps pepper spray could have ended the gunman's shooting spree, at least made it a lot more difficult.

    One rather disquieting new aspect has been the use of body armor by the 'crazed' gunman- not too crazy to think of that- so it would take a head or femur artery shot to be somewhat quick about ending the shooting spree. Even taking out a leg won't stop the shooter if he is determined. (If you use the most loonies are pussies then pepper spray becomes an effective option)

    It isn't the Teachers are Union members as must as right wing radicals are always decrying these Union folks as commies bent on undermining the Constitution, planting socialism, making us a nation of takers rather than rugged individualists who believe you will only git mah 'gun' when you pry it out of my cold, dead fingers.

    So many right wingers have spent so much time regurgitating such tripe it is amusing to now see them thinking enough teachers will arm themselves to do on the cheap what should be done by professionals.

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    Somehow I don't think Stop or My Mom Will Shoot was meant to actually be a documentary about how gun owners can save the world. Sorry, but no one out there made grandma a cop, or even trained her in responsible procedures for stopping an armed gunmen. instead about the only thing I could see the dimwitted old woman doing is endangering the lives and safety of the kids and teachers in the school by bringing a loaded gun onto campus where she is much more likely to accidentally discharge it and hit another person than to actually ever face down an armed gunmen.

    It just amazes me how some people thinking an elderly armed woman is actrually going to do much along the lines of stopping a rampaging madman when the gun is in her friggen locker. Gee, I hope the killer has the courtesy to attack while she is placing or removing the gun from her locker, otherwise it is pretty much a gigantic waste of time on all levels.

    I wish gun owners would get it through their heads, you are not heroes. You are not going to save lives. You are a danger to your self and others when you act in such foolish fashion. No one asked you to do a damned thing, and you will only be in the way if you try. Yet more evidence that most gun users cannot behave responsibly with their weapons and that because there is only a small minority of them that can make logical, rational, and wise decisions with their firearms that we need to remove those firearms from their possession because they are clearly not able to behave with them. Oh, and also that the elderly need to be restricted from doing things that endanger society like driving, owning firearms, and anything else where their age softened brains cause them to do radically idiotic things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Somehow I don't think Stop or My Mom Will Shoot was meant to actually be a documentary about how gun owners can save the world. Sorry, but no one out there made grandma a cop, or even trained her in responsible procedures for stopping an armed gunmen. instead about the only thing I could see the dimwitted old woman doing is endangering the lives and safety of the kids and teachers in the school by bringing a loaded gun onto campus where she is much more likely to accidentally discharge it and hit another person than to actually ever face down an armed gunmen.

    It just amazes me how some people thinking an elderly armed woman is actrually going to do much along the lines of stopping a rampaging madman when the gun is in her friggen locker. Gee, I hope the killer has the courtesy to attack while she is placing or removing the gun from her locker, otherwise it is pretty much a gigantic waste of time on all levels.

    I wish gun owners would get it through their heads, you are not heroes. You are not going to save lives. You are a danger to your self and others when you act in such foolish fashion. No one asked you to do a damned thing, and you will only be in the way if you try. Yet more evidence that most gun users cannot behave responsibly with their weapons and that because there is only a small minority of them that can make logical, rational, and wise decisions with their firearms that we need to remove those firearms from their possession because they are clearly not able to behave with them. Oh, and also that the elderly need to be restricted from doing things that endanger society like driving, owning firearms, and anything else where their age softened brains cause them to do radically idiotic things.
    Hmmm...

    Maybe you are right. If those old folks...those grandmas are as addled as you make them out to be, we probably shouldn't be letting them near our kids under ANY circumstances. Especially not to teach them.
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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    especially those addled old biddies that think FDR saved the nation with his socialist manifesto...

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    Re: Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Memberís Locker

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Somehow I don't think Stop or My Mom Will Shoot was meant to actually be a documentary about how gun owners can save the world. Sorry, but no one out there made grandma a cop, or even trained her in responsible procedures for stopping an armed gunmen. instead about the only thing I could see the dimwitted old woman doing is endangering the lives and safety of the kids and teachers in the school by bringing a loaded gun onto campus where she is much more likely to accidentally discharge it and hit another person than to actually ever face down an armed gunmen.

    It just amazes me how some people thinking an elderly armed woman is actrually going to do much along the lines of stopping a rampaging madman when the gun is in her friggen locker. Gee, I hope the killer has the courtesy to attack while she is placing or removing the gun from her locker, otherwise it is pretty much a gigantic waste of time on all levels.

    I wish gun owners would get it through their heads, you are not heroes. You are not going to save lives. You are a danger to your self and others when you act in such foolish fashion. No one asked you to do a damned thing, and you will only be in the way if you try. Yet more evidence that most gun users cannot behave responsibly with their weapons and that because there is only a small minority of them that can make logical, rational, and wise decisions with their firearms that we need to remove those firearms from their possession because they are clearly not able to behave with them. Oh, and also that the elderly need to be restricted from doing things that endanger society like driving, owning firearms, and anything else where their age softened brains cause them to do radically idiotic things.
    ROFLMAO.

    You deny that armed intervention ever saved lives, even though very recently it did. In Oklahoma City, one of the places I live part-time, it is not unusual or even that rare that the intruder during home invasions comes out on the losing end.

    You accuse all gun owners of "wanting to be heroes" even though a large number of them, I would say the vast majority of them, are happy to never ever have to fire their personal protection arms in anger. Not to mention that with the "Troops to Teachers" program, some of those teachers are proven heroes, already. Many, many gun owners are veterans.

    Yes, it is so difficult to figure out how to down a gunman. Lets see, take stance with most of body behind some kind of barricade. Lift weapon to firing position and disengage safety. Line up the front post with the notch in rear sight (if you have a glock or similar, make the three dots form a straight line) over the center mass of shooter, hold breath and squeeze the trigger. Repeat until gunman is down and no longer firing. To be more effective, please practice the technique at the local range.

    This woman broke the law. In doing so, she should be arrested. But, with the media coverage and a bit of support, maybe, just maybe, she can now force the issue through the courts and we might even see SCOTUS take up the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalltime View Post
    Or.......
    You could lend a little bit of perspective on life:
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    Yes, i agree, why don't we take up Isreal's gun laws.

    1. You have to get a permit for each gun you own and part of your application process is to show you have need of a gun. I like guns is not a valid reason either.
    2. In order to be approved for your firearm you need to go through training, strict police investigation, and even go through medical evaluation.
    3. You have to re-apply every 3 years and your application is not guaranteed. This re-application requires all the same testing and training as your original application.


    So yeah, that sounds good. plus Isreal limits their approval to areas of war like conflict which are in close proximity to palestine and syria. That teacher's purpose for having a firearm is to protect the children in case of a terrorist attack, not for the crazy psycho who might shoot up a school as most Isreali schools do not have gun weilding teachers. Isfreal refuses over 80 percent of gun license applications. isreal does not consider gun ownership to be a right of the people.

    I can pretty much go along with those types of restrictions.

    Of course, I don't know if I would trust my kid to someone with a rifle slung over their shoulder. I have heard enough stories of gun idiiots shooting themselves or their kids in poor handling of their firearms to rely on that person being one of the safe ones. I also do not know about putting a person in charge of a bunch of curious children, and then having a loaded firearm around. kids are curious and that just seems like a recipe for disaster here in america. Perhaps isreal's teachers are better educated on gun safety, but i have talked to american teachers, and i am far from impressed by their intelligence on the subjects they are certified to teach. I am certainly not going to be to keen on their education on gun dangers. i mean half these teaching dolts think creationism is a friggen fact. i don't need them praying the bullet wound away instead of calling 911 because they thought god was better at fixing my child than a doctor.

    But hey, I would give it a chance if, like this guy suggested, we go to a Isreali stance on gun ownership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    ROFLMAO.

    You deny that armed intervention ever saved lives, even though very recently it did. In Oklahoma City, one of the places I live part-time, it is not unusual or even that rare that the intruder during home invasions comes out on the losing end.
    Yeah, i do. gee, a minority of the time. Actually less than one percent of crime is prevented by armed intervention by a citizen. So no you are still not a hero, and you are more likely to get robbged, shoot yourself, shoot someone innocent, or just plain not be around your gun than you are to ever act as a hero. No, quit claiming because it happened once you are some sort of hero for owning a gun. Even the VP of the US is more likely to shoot someone in the face than to stop someone from harming him.
    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    You accuse all gun owners of "wanting to be heroes" even though a large number of them, I would say the vast majority of them, are happy to never ever have to fire their personal protection arms in anger. Not to mention that with the "Troops to Teachers" program, some of those teachers are proven heroes, already. Many, many gun owners are veterans.
    You just tried to make them into heroes twice. No I do not think blowing away some kids in the middle east with a guided missile from miles away makes an armed vetran a hero. First responders, cops, and EMTs are heroes. The modern US military is not a hero, and BTW is one of the actual reasons our founding fathers wanted the states to have a well armed militia because they saw federal troops of the US to be the biggest enemy to freedom we face. before you keep on arguing they are heroes and telling me I should be proud of them think about how big the pile of patriotic thoughtless BS that you are shoveling is.
    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Yes, it is so difficult to figure out how to down a gunman. Lets see, take stance with most of body behind some kind of barricade. Lift weapon to firing position and disengage safety. Line up the front post with the notch in rear sight (if you have a glock or similar, make the three dots form a straight line) over the center mass of shooter, hold breath and squeeze the trigger. Repeat until gunman is down and no longer firing. To be more effective, please practice the technique at the local range.
    Now you have made me LMAO. here is how it goes when you deal with moving targets that don't shoot back. Idiot with a gun hears gunshots, run's half a mile, digs load of crap out of shorts, pulls out gun, freaks out and sprays bullets blindly into crowd of fleeing victims of original shooter. You shot targets so you think you know what it is like to be under attack by a real gunman. Especially one that has an assault rifle and some handguns while you sport your easily jammed cheapo pistol. You are not a hero. If you are unlucky enough to actually be there and armed in this situation you are a panicky shaky ball of nerves and adrenaline who will snap fire at most anything that moves in your stark terror at the thought of an armed gunman. This is why we don't want you armed. We know where the actual gunman is, and we don't need to be shot in the back or whuile we are running by you fumbling with your gun and pittling yourself.

    You guys have got to stop this heroic rambo routine. You are not rambo. you do not keep your cool in a live fire situation. You are not saving a world full of kids, and you will most likely be responsible for running little kids over as you dash for safety than anything else in the situation. I have seen you heroic types cowering in fear over paint filled geletin capsules that don't cause death. I have seen you shoot your friends on your team because you were scared ****less. i have seen you panick and run face first into trees. I have seen you bobble your gun and blind fire out of terror. I have seen you pant and wheeze after 15 steps of running with your gun. I have seen you take cover behind twigs.
    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    This woman broke the law. In doing so, she should be arrested. But, with the media coverage and a bit of support, maybe, just maybe, she can now force the issue through the courts and we might even see SCOTUS take up the issue.
    No, what she just did is show us all the stupidity of gun owners by committing a felony with her pistol. She will be arrested. She will be tried and convicted. her gun will be taken from her, and her house will be searched for any other firearms. She will never own a gun again because she will be a convicted felon. She will pay fines, lawyers fees, and most likely spend a few years paying the probation department for the joy of going there. She will be restricted in drinking and any drug use will have to not only be reviewed by her doctor, but also by some idiot probation officer. She might even spend some time in jail for her troubles. All so she could put a gun in her locker which she would never get to while the school is locked down during an armed attack. unlike the heroic teachers who died trying to protect the children in CT, she will try to abandon the kids to get to her locker which will be in a room that is locked up because the school is locked down. In her wandering through the halls she will probably end up another victim while her unsupervised children will probably get killed because they are not locked down and are easy victims.

    Quit living in gun fantasy land. Seriously, grandma with a gun is not even a concerned for a heavily armed suicidal attacker. She will hesitate if she actually has her gun and is there. If she gets a shot off it will be shaky and miss. meanwhile her only chance is that the shooter is paralized with fits of uncontrollable laughter and the authorities get there before he can recover and arrest him. She would have better luck stripping naked and trying to cause him to asphyxiate on his own vomit after seeing her sagging grandma naughty bits.

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