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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Logic always gets to enter into a hypothetical. And logically, the odds that you'd have the right person with the right information is nearly impossible to start with. Again, those who were actually in the situation (CP's unverified not withstanding), say differently than you above. There is much written on this. Torture is just not reliable for gathering information in any situation.

    OldWorldOrder already handed your arse to you about this....At that time you said that you never said torture was 100% unreliable, yet now you are....Try honesty friend.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What should occur to me?



    You wish others would get tortured because their argument is beyond your comprehension. This is why intellectuals fear leftists.



    If you meant that other means can always accomplish what torture can. Well, that's just wishful BS in a blind quest for absolutism.
    It appears that what is beyond YOUR comprehension is the difference between right and wrong. It appears that your moral standard is what some government bureaucrat tells you. A sad state of affairs.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It appears that what is beyond YOUR comprehension is the difference between right and wrong. It appears that your moral standard is what some government bureaucrat tells you. A sad state of affairs.
    Ad homs will get you no where. Are you vegetarian?

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ad homs will get you no where. Are you vegetarian?
    It is not an ad hom sir, it is merely an observation of a series of posts you have made, in which you condone torture, which is an assault on humans. If the shoe fits, consider wearing.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    So, why is it that battered women stay with their husbands? For that matter, what do you know about Battered Women Syndrome? What do you know about Stockholm Syndrome? What do you know about Traumatic Bonding? What do you know about even basic psychology when the mind if threatened in traumatic situations?

    Apparently, nothing.
    I tend to ignore red herrings. What does any of that have to do with what I said? Nothing.

    You see, when asking only questions with known answers, a sense of omniscience grows in the subject for their captors. Hell, police use this tactic during routine interrogations. They'll ask a series of questions they already know with fair certainty to test the bounds of where the lies start, and then they'll ask the entire battery of questions multiple times, in different orders, just to try to trip up the subject. Add in a little mental anguish and some traumatic bonding, and you have a fairly good recipe for intel gathering. This **** works. You don't have to believe me, and it's pretty obvious you're not going to no matter what, but it does work. It's not just simply beating someone until they talk.
    Two words: False confessions. Quite common in interrogation rooms. Far more common with 'mental anguish'.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It is not an ad hom sir, it is merely an observation of a series of posts you have made, in which you condone torture, which is an assault on humans. If the shoe fits, consider wearing.

    What was 9/11? a polite nudge?
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What was 9/11? a polite nudge?
    He believes that was Mossad.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    He believes that was Mossad.

    OMG, are you serious? Good grief. That's just doorknob dumb right there.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    OldWorldOrder already handed your arse to you about this....At that time you said that you never said torture was 100% unreliable, yet now you are....Try honesty friend.
    J. nothing is 100%. You can be a % and still be ineffective. Noted a method not torture is 90% effective. That is an effective method. Something that is 1%, 10%, 20% cannot be called effective. Such a percentage would be ineffective. He also suggests something no one has stated, that there is a circumstance in which it is effective. No such circumstance has ever been identified by anyone to my knowledge. Not when it comes to information gathering. Now if we were talking confessions? Well, there is much showing you will get a confession from a large percentage of people tortured. But no identified circumstance. Sometimes just dumb luck. But you wouldn't want to depend on luck for effectiveness.

    BTW, in this case the word effective means working as desired. What is desired is to good information most if not all the time. When it doesn't work that way, it is ineffective.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    OMG, are you serious? Good grief. That's just doorknob dumb right there.
    I wouldn't say dumb, just not right.


    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I gotta go right now, but suffice to say that if all the evidence is analyzed, the finger is pointed at Israeli Mossad operatives. Not being a member of that group I am not personally aware of their exact motives and goals, but I can speculate.

    Bollyn's book exposes much of this, and I just finished it today.
    See also: http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspi...bi-report.html
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