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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Left overs, those not accounted for. Bush took it further than others did. He said, growing and gathering, meaning active or grams creating new weapons. Very different than what the rest if the world said.
    It seems you are just making things up as you go along. Most everyone said what Bush said and the great majority supported him in Congress. That is historical fact.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    That he saw on TV the first airplane to strike at WTC.
    That's your words. Where's the quote by George Bush, as well as the context.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Oh, I've done more than think about it, and that was 10 years ago. Bush made far more false statements than he made truthful statements.
    And you have a count, some evidence of this?

    Yes, English is my primary language, and when I said few people saw the first tower strike, I meant FEW people saw it. Bush was not one of them, despite his false claim to the contrary.
    You should provide some evidence. As George Bush was not even in NY State at the time your statement is difficult to believe.
    I did not make a career of it, but from my time in the Army, I understood full well that in 2003 Iraq was no threat at all to the US.
    Others disagree. especially those in the region and people who were familiar with Saddam's history.

    After the first Gulf War under Bush 41, Iraq's army had been thoroughly defeated and humiliated. It did not have a navy, and in 2003 its air force was nonexistent, with most of its old airplanes buried in the sand. No sir, that ragtag country, after 10 years of heavy trade sanctions, in 2003 was no threat at all to the US. Bush, Cheney, Powell et al lied to the world and the country about the Weapons of Mass Deception.
    Most everyone lied then, but it was up to Saddam to prove without any doubt that he had no WMD. He refused to fully cooperate, even with forces lined along his border. He was an evil person and the world is better off with his departure.

    I lived the history of those events sir, and I'm still able to remember them. Where were you when all that was happening?
    I lived the history as well, and am able to support what happened with public documentation. I would never, under any circumstances, support an evil dictator such as Saddam Hussein.

    President Obama recently helped murder Qadaffi of Libya, and with no excuses whatsoever. I had no use for Qadaffi either, but he was not in the same league as Saddam Hussein. At least the law was on the side of George Bush whereas that was not the case with Obama.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems you are just making things up as you go along. Most everyone said what Bush said and the great majority supported him in Congress. That is historical fact.
    That is factually inaccurate. Show me one person not connected with us administration who claimed growing and gathering, new programs (and don't back to Clinton because his administration declared that problem ended).

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And you have a count, some evidence of this?



    You should provide some evidence. As George Bush was not even in NY State at the time your statement is difficult to believe.


    Others disagree. especially those in the region and people who were familiar with Saddam's history.



    Most everyone lied then, but it was up to Saddam to prove without any doubt that he had no WMD. He refused to fully cooperate, even with forces lined along his border. He was an evil person and the world is better off with his departure.



    I lived the history as well, and am able to support what happened with public documentation. I would never, under any circumstances, support an evil dictator such as Saddam Hussein.

    President Obama recently helped murder Qadaffi of Libya, and with no excuses whatsoever. I had no use for Qadaffi either, but he was not in the same league as Saddam Hussein. At least the law was on the side of George Bush whereas that was not the case with Obama.
    If you are still living in the World According To Dubya & Dick, there is nothing I can say, link, or otherwise show to you that will help you understand.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    If you are still living in the World According To Dubya & Dick, there is nothing I can say, link, or otherwise show to you that will help you understand.
    Okay, you cannot support your claims. Why not just be honest and admit it? Do you really believe you're fooling anyone?

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

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    You cannot disagree.
    Then don't fly?

    Health insurance.

    Plus various licenses, annual permits and inspections, that can take weeks to get through if you want to start any small business.
    Well.... That Health Insurance thing is new and I am not sure how it works as I am living overseas.... as to the rest, don't start a business then.. they can't "force" you.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    I've always found it weird that the same people that think torture is ineffective also think it's immoral. Just...odd. You get these weird arguments wherein people are forced to defend the position that torture can never, ever, ever work, because they don't like the idea of using it.

    And that's to say nothing of waterboarding.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I've always found it weird that the same people that think torture is ineffective also think it's immoral. Just...odd. You get these weird arguments wherein people are forced to defend the position that torture can never, ever, ever work, because they don't like the idea of using it.

    And that's to say nothing of waterboarding.
    You do know something can be both ineffective and immoral. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do know something can be both ineffective and immoral. The two are not mutually exclusive.
    Sure. But then that leads to the position that torture has never and could never work. And of course such absolutes are pretty absurd, so...
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