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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The shorter list would be when Bush actually told the truth.
    That's a claim you might want to think about.
    Cripes, he even lied about seeing the first airplane strike the towers--few people saw it because it was not televised.
    Few people saw it or nobody saw it?
    He lied about Iraq and its being a threat to this country.
    Iraq was not a threat? Are you quite certain that that was a commonly held idea at the time?

    Weapons of Mass Deception sir,
    Again, we have almost every world leader, as well as UN directives, making allegations and clear statements that Saddam had WMD, and yet these facts appear to be unknown to you. Why not read the actual history of these important events rather than guessing at them?

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact there are usually several people present.

    We're talking 'enhanced interrogation' here, not personal confrontations..
    I don't doubt that in these circumstances where I am tortured, I would probably tell you anything to get you to stop.

    Of course you could do like J-mac and call me wetback until I cry. Then I would spill my guts.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    If it's just me and you alone, I'd like to see it.
    I re read that post your referring to and can understand, by my poor phrasing, how you interpreted this as a personal challenge. I meant that you would, of course, be alone.

    I am not one of those phonies who pretend to be an internet tough guy but do believe that after a session or two of water boarding you'd tell me all i need to know.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

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    That's false. Are you genuinely unfamiliar with the statements of those, including Clinton and Gore, who believe Saddam had WMD??
    Left overs. And if you're speaking of wild Bill Clinton, you have to go back to context.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The shorter list would be when Bush actually told the truth.

    Cripes, he even lied about seeing the first airplane strike the towers--few people saw it because it was not televised.

    He lied about Iraq and its being a threat to this country. Weapons of Mass Deception sir, and Obama governs like Bush on steroids!
    No, those weren't lies. He was repeating stuff that Clinton had said about Iraq and that everyone thought was true, including the CIA and British intelligence.

    It's a simple request. One statement he made that was clearly deliberate deception.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post

    Left overs. And if you're speaking of wild Bill Clinton, you have to go back to context.
    Leftovers? What does that mean?

    And I'd be pleased to go back to context with all the many world leaders who said Saddam had WMDs. Are you claiming otherwise?

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's a claim you might want to think about.


    Few people saw it or nobody saw it?


    Iraq was not a threat? Are you quite certain that that was a commonly held idea at the time?



    Again, we have almost every world leader, as well as UN directives, making allegations and clear statements that Saddam had WMD, and yet these facts appear to be unknown to you. Why not read the actual history of these important events rather than guessing at them?
    Oh, I've done more than think about it, and that was 10 years ago. Bush made far more false statements than he made truthful statements.

    Yes, English is my primary language, and when I said few people saw the first tower strike, I meant FEW people saw it. Bush was not one of them, despite his false claim to the contrary.

    I did not make a career of it, but from my time in the Army, I understood full well that in 2003 Iraq was no threat at all to the US. After the first Gulf War under Bush 41, Iraq's army had been thoroughly defeated and humiliated. It did not have a navy, and in 2003 its air force was nonexistent, with most of its old airplanes buried in the sand. No sir, that ragtag country, after 10 years of heavy trade sanctions, in 2003 was no threat at all to the US. Bush, Cheney, Powell et al lied to the world and the country about the Weapons of Mass Deception.

    I lived the history of those events sir, and I'm still able to remember them. Where were you when all that was happening?

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    No, those weren't lies. He was repeating stuff that Clinton had said about Iraq and that everyone thought was true, including the CIA and British intelligence.

    It's a simple request. One statement he made that was clearly deliberate deception.
    That he saw on TV the first airplane to strike at WTC.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Leftovers? What does that mean?

    And I'd be pleased to go back to context with all the many world leaders who said Saddam had WMDs. Are you claiming otherwise?
    Left overs, those not accounted for. Bush took it further than others did. He said, growing and gathering, meaning active or grams creating new weapons. Very different than what the rest if the world said.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Some argue that the government's torture, or enhanced interrogation, rules are driving increased participation in AQ.
    And do they base this on any knowledge, studies, or first hand information? Or is that just their feelings talking?

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