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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, that certainly isn't what we endlessly heard from say '03 forward under GWB. Oh, we heard how our troops were storming towns in the dead of night, raping women, and razing communities from the likes of John Kerry, Dick Durbin, and other libs from the house floor, often repeated by willing parrots on the boards. We heard liberals such as yourself rail about how, (let's see what'd you call them?) oh yeah, the "heros in error" falsified intel to lie us into an ignoble war. In fact, liberals own front fighting Bush, what I like to call the Western front, was a classic bleeding heart play, that our enemies cherished, and exploited as much as they could for recruitment.



    And what are these "reasonable" precautions you speak of?



    Wow, that's rich coming from you Joe...this isn't about your hyperbolic imagination about what emotions others have, but from what I have seen thinking too little of the US is not a problem conservatives have, liberals take that to an art form.



    Speaking of morals, isn't gitmo still open?
    You confuse things concerning 03. Bush hurt our credibility. That's a different issue. He also hard no moral core, lie in an area some of us could not accept, putting Americans in harms way needlessly, and largely did more harm than good concerning the war on terror.

    And gitmo being open is the fault of conservative fear mongers as much as anyone else. You want we can revisit the Jordan notion that conservatives are never responsible for their actions. I'll leave that up to you.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You confuse things concerning 03. Bush hurt our credibility. That's a different issue. He also hard no moral core, lie in an area some of us could not accept, putting Americans in harms way needlessly, and largely did more harm than good concerning the war on terror.

    And gitmo being open is the fault of conservative fear mongers as much as anyone else. You want we can revisit the Jordan notion that conservatives are never responsible for their actions. I'll leave that up to you.

    Purposeful confusion is what people holding your views rely on Joe....Thankfully there are people who know the truth.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    But all of those criteria are largely arbitrary. A jury, of peers, after a trial.... what about on the battlefield, after open hostility, by "the good guys"? To them, being tried in our court system (by their peers, in an trial) would probably be little different. The trial also only covers who "deserves" whatever action is about to happen... not the actual action. Go to prison to have your rights completely remanded and doled out according to a non-elected appointee, up to and including indefinite solitary confinement, OR be questioned with some very advanced and sneaky techniques that leave no scars.
    I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make, but the UCMJ is the appropriate set of laws for soldiers on the battlefield.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Purposeful confusion is what people holding your views rely on Joe....Thankfully there are people who know the truth.
    Not sure how I can make you confuse two things. But you have. I can only try to help you see your confusion.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure how I can make you confuse two things. But you have. I can only try to help you see your confusion.

    BWAHHHAAAAA! That's just priceless....As if you know all....What a buffoon.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I'm not really conflicted, it's just that I keep an open mind when judging certain events.

    Regarding 911, what is certain is that it was a false flag operation, and its hallmark was deception and propaganda.
    Your mind is certainly open, I'll give you that.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What glory we've lost, they, OBL and company, didn't take it. Nor are reasonable precautions meaning we lost anything. You seem to me to fear too much and think too little of your country and the principles she was built upon.
    Me fear too much?


    I would rather walk on to an airplane unmolested and take my chances with the terrorists than having strangers messing with my person. It is obviously the American government who initiated these crazy rules who is running scared here.

    Richard Reid had a bomb in his shoe, a member of the public stops him, and now all Americans are having to remove their shoes at airports. Who is running scared here? And who are having the last laugh every time an American is getting strip searched in his own country by his fellow Americans, and without due process? Now that they line up like sheep for this humiliating treatment can cavity searches be far behind?

    And no, the logical conclusion from your comments were that only leftist have a moral center, believe in this country, and are strong enough to keep faith in troubled times.
    The left will always keep the faith in troubled times, that's certain. They will never be able to shift course, despite icebergs approaching from every angle. Their faith conquers every reality.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Your mind is certainly open, I'll give you that.

    heh, heh....I saw that....Hmmmmm.....HD says "false flag" eh? Could that mean that he is an Alex Jones follower, or just a run of the mill truther?
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    We agree to the search though...
    You cannot disagree.
    What can the government "force" me to buy?
    Health insurance.

    Plus various licenses, annual permits and inspections, that can take weeks to get through if you want to start any small business.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    heh, heh....I saw that....Hmmmmm.....HD says "false flag" eh? Could that mean that he is an Alex Jones follower, or just a run of the mill truther?
    I didn't even want to go there. After reading the first couple of 9/11 theories years ago they all became as boring and contrived as an Obama speech.

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