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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Are you saying only leftist have real values and a moral center? I don't believe that.
    Now you just quoted me and nowhere does it say that. Please respond only to what I said, not what you think I said. And no, the left have few morals.
    But it is true hey cannot defeat us. So we're stop acting scared children, toughen up, and stop thinking we have to forsake or values, laws, and moral center.
    Cannot defeat you? Have you been through an airport recently where Americans are intimately searched without due process? Where new rules and regulations and cropping up every day? Where the government will force you to buy something whether you want it or not? Where Americans have now become hard line red or blue? Where Is that the new American idea of freedom? Your moral center is no better than any other, and most leftists don't even know where or how they received any 'moral center' they might have.

    Do you seriously believe the United States will regain its former glory when they stood for freedom all over the world? Britain seamlessly conceded power to the United States but who gets to be the next dominant power?

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Well, we've had 4 years of the (where in the world is) Hillary, and Obama liberal foreign policy of diplomacy, and just "speak to our enemies" plan, and how's that workin' out for us Joe? Iran ignores us like we have no teeth, the ME is on fire, Israel (our only ally in the region) is feeling like they are on their own with the sharks circling, and a diplomat, and 3 other American's are dead while Hillary calls out sick.

    All the revision of history you wish to do will not change that certain parts of world only respond to fear.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait a minute....Most penalties of the death sentence are carried out today by lethal injection. The prisoner is put under anesthesia before the lethal injection as far as a I know...

    So in what way of administration do you object to?
    My bad. I did not mean the actual method of execution, I was referring to the judicial processes required for the DP, and the way that the system handles it. For example, that man Troy Davis (I think) from Georgia was executed some months back when there was a fair amount of evidence suggesting he was innocent.

    No, I like the Utah firing squad personally, but we must be certain that the man is guilty.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Stop right there.

    In order to use the words "duly convicted", you have to agree that those doing the convicting have the power to do so. In a democracy, that power rests on the consent of the governed...to an extent. The real power lies in the ability (and will) to project force.

    This "due process" argument relies on who has the force every bit as much as who you think should have it.
    I agree. When I use the term 'duly convicted', I mean by a jury of his peers, a fully informed jury of his peers, after an open trial.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And your enemies are probably just as conflicted as you.

    Maybe they were philosophizing about that very thing when they made their attacks on 9/11.
    I'm not really conflicted, it's just that I keep an open mind when judging certain events.

    Regarding 911, what is certain is that it was a false flag operation, and its hallmark was deception and propaganda.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Now you just quoted me and nowhere does it say that. Please respond only to what I said, not what you think I said. And no, the left have few morals.


    Cannot defeat you? Have you been through an airport recently where Americans are intimately searched without due process? Where new rules and regulations and cropping up every day? Where the government will force you to buy something whether you want it or not? Where Americans have now become hard line red or blue? Where Is that the new American idea of freedom? Your moral center is no better than any other, and most leftists don't even know where or how they received any 'moral center' they might have.

    Do you seriously believe the United States will regain its former glory when they stood for freedom all over the world? Britain seamlessly conceded power to the United States but who gets to be the next dominant power?
    What glory we've lost, they, OBL and company, didn't take it. Nor are reasonable precautions meaning we lost anything. You seem to me to fear too much and think too little of your country and the principles she was built upon.

    And no, the logical conclusion from your comments were that only leftist have a moral center, believe in this country, and are strong enough to keep faith in troubled times.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I agree. When I use the term 'duly convicted', I mean by a jury of his peers, a fully informed jury of his peers, after an open trial.
    But all of those criteria are largely arbitrary. A jury, of peers, after a trial.... what about on the battlefield, after open hostility, by "the good guys"? To them, being tried in our court system (by their peers, in an trial) would probably be little different. The trial also only covers who "deserves" whatever action is about to happen... not the actual action. Go to prison to have your rights completely remanded and doled out according to a non-elected appointee, up to and including indefinite solitary confinement, OR be questioned with some very advanced and sneaky techniques that leave no scars.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What glory we've lost, they, OBL and company, didn't take it.
    Well, that certainly isn't what we endlessly heard from say '03 forward under GWB. Oh, we heard how our troops were storming towns in the dead of night, raping women, and razing communities from the likes of John Kerry, Dick Durbin, and other libs from the house floor, often repeated by willing parrots on the boards. We heard liberals such as yourself rail about how, (let's see what'd you call them?) oh yeah, the "heros in error" falsified intel to lie us into an ignoble war. In fact, liberals own front fighting Bush, what I like to call the Western front, was a classic bleeding heart play, that our enemies cherished, and exploited as much as they could for recruitment.

    Nor are reasonable precautions meaning we lost anything.
    And what are these "reasonable" precautions you speak of?

    You seem to me to fear too much and think too little of your country and the principles she was built upon.
    Wow, that's rich coming from you Joe...this isn't about your hyperbolic imagination about what emotions others have, but from what I have seen thinking too little of the US is not a problem conservatives have, liberals take that to an art form.

    And no, the logical conclusion from your comments were that only leftist have a moral center, believe in this country, and are strong enough to keep faith in troubled times.
    Speaking of morals, isn't gitmo still open?
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You feel that the United States is in jeopardy of emulating terrorists? No one except leftist Americans and other anti Americans are worried about that.

    The terrorists didn't have to defeat America from without, the United States has defeated itself from within.

    They cannot win a war any more than they can balance a budget, and their enemies know it. They just need to be patient.
    Leftist Americans and the anti-America crowds around the world live in a warped reality... as to the rest? Sadly , I agree.

    It's truly amazing how many Europeans get their ideas of America and its history from the movies. They do take them seriously.
    How do you take someone seriously who honestly thinks that American's view the world through the eyes of Hollywood?

    All alien invasions and extra-terrestrial visits to earth take place in Washington, New York or Arizona. Do we really believe that **** too?

    All they need do is ask Europeans how grateful they are for Americans saving their asses and they'll get a jolt of reality right quick.
    Especially the French. Damn, if we ever deserved some thanks you would think it would be from them... but nope. Add in all the socialists whacko's living in freedom because of our help instead of living under either Hitler or Stalin and one would think they would see America differently. Sadly... no.

    That's an astonishing point of view..

    Do you not understand that your enemies, who would kill you without a moment's hesitation, also believe they have the moral high ground?

    All of them do. All of them. You should know and understand that.
    Actually I would say that they think that they are the only ones with morals AT ALL.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Cannot defeat you? Have you been through an airport recently where Americans are intimately searched without due process? Where new rules and regulations and cropping up every day? Where the government will force you to buy something whether you want it or not? Where Americans have now become hard line red or blue? Where Is that the new American idea of freedom? Your moral center is no better than any other, and most leftists don't even know where or how they received any 'moral center' they might have.

    Do you seriously believe the United States will regain its former glory when they stood for freedom all over the world? Britain seamlessly conceded power to the United States but who gets to be the next dominant power?
    We agree to the search though...

    What can the government "force" me to buy?
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